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Molson Hart

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CEO at http://amazon.com/viahart . CEO at http://edisonlf.com . I tweet about business, e-commerce, supply chain, health, law, & infrastructure

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    1. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg Feb 7
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      Venture debt is like a delicious sandwich that only costs ten cents, but occasionally explodes in your face. If I were running a startup, I don't think I'd ever take it.

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    2. Tobyn Sowden‏ @tobyns Feb 7
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      What?! I know there is an inherent bias coming from one of the largest early stage VC firms. I think there is a place and a time absolutely. I guess you could say growth at all costs, and I could say avoid dilution at all costs. 🙄

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    3. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg Feb 7
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      Why would I be biased? Venture debt doesn't compete with seed funding.

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    4. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Feb 7
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      Because you’d rather follow on investments dilute yours than destroy them. I’d argue that vc’s desire for multiple founders is a similar calculation. Debt, unlike equity, can cause catastrophe, but to say there’s no place for it in startups is a head scratcher.

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    5. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg Feb 7
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      The portfolio effect should make me *want* founders to make risky moves like taking venture debt.

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    6. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Feb 7
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      I disagree and you do too. Debt adds great risk without great upside. Follow on equity investments de-risk while maintain or increase upside. Suppose you're investing in Facebook and you see it's going really well and Zuckerberg says he wants to take on some debt.

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    7. Paul Graham‏Verified account @paulg Feb 7
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      No rational founder would incur the additional risk of taking debt without corresponding upside potential.

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    8. Solo founder‏ @founder_solo Feb 7
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      Sorry but what are the risks? Intuitively it is money without dilution. Do you mean the risk of bankruptcy by non payment? But that only happen when you're broke anyway?

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    9. Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Feb 7
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      What you said. Yes, risk of bankruptcy by non-payment. It can happen much more easily than you think.

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    10. Solo founder‏ @founder_solo Feb 7
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      That makes sense of course, but won't the time you cant pay interest be the same time you run out of money anyway just a month earlier?

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      Molson Hart‏ @Molson_Hart Feb 7
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      Good question. To be honest, I'm not sure. I've never been in that position thankfully. With that said, I would say that: Obligations to vendors can often be extended out and employees can be laid off and sometimes will work without pay. The bank however has you by the balls.

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