Appears I may be wrong. The Iceland volcano was under ice and this somehow made it worse? Anyways, they’re still super concentrated in volatile Hawaii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_travel_disruption_after_the_2010_Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull_eruption …
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
I didn't think of the volcano risk, but that seems true. I agreed about Hawaii being volatile. Won't an expensive vacation be the first thing people cut in a recession? On the other hand, they remained profitable during the financial crisis.
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Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
Hawaii has a couple advantages, though. First,
$HA uses 717s for intraisland flights. The old CEO figured out these are optimal for their fast unloading time. They don't have the flight range to reach Hawaii so he did this to get them there:pic.twitter.com/oo0qG57Ypx
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Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
717s aren't produces anymore and are in limited supply. This seems like a lasting advantage. Southwest
$LUV is finally trying to compete on these flights, but seems$HA still has an advantage.2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
The other difference is a direct flight to Hawaii generally will support just one route. If
$HA specializes in figuring out these routes, they might be first creating the route. Once they're set up, seems unlikely people will compete with that direct flight, too.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Replying to @orrdavid @Molson_Hart
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$HA is just *cheap*. To me this would be an obvious activist target... change management compensation to pay down debt in 1-2 years and then return money to shareholders ASAP until shares go up a lot. The entire company pays for itself in ~5 years at this price.1 reply 0 retweets 2 likes -
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Many airlines offer flights to Hawaii from the major continental hubs. The intra-Hawaii business looks like the gem to me (no competition). Is that a material part of their business?
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It's about 30% of their biz. Used to be ~50%. 1. Southwest just started trying to compete on some routes. That's bad. Jury is out if they stick around, though. 2. This part of their biz is shrinking relative to mainland/international flights. I hate that they grow.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
This definitely impacted earnings and might be a lasting threat. Other companies have tried to compete in the past and ended up losing, though. I figure they're more likely to give up in a downturn.
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With a recession around the corner and southwest coming in, notwithstanding the fact that everything is expensive, this is a pass to me. I have no idea what their debt/cash situation and I’m a novice.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Buffett used to say he'd never again invest in an airline. But a few years ago even he thought major airlines were cheap enough and it went pretty well.
$HA is cheaper than they were - it's just too small to be on Berkshire's radar. Agree this isn't a wonderful biz, though.0 replies 0 retweets 1 likeThanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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