What's a false assumption exactly? Not sure I follow you.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
My main counterarguments are 1) lots of people care more about symbolic stuff 2) even if we were totally practical we wouldn't agree which society to build soberly, so politics would default to values.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
I wasn't clear. Left: top-down, no one left behind, high tax, pc Right: bottom-up, life isn't fair, low tax, less pc If you live a life with skin-in-the-game, it's hard to see value in many of the left's positions. Many self made rich leftists are wolves in sheep skins, IMO.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart @gsvigruha
So, the possible false assumption is that there are romans scattered amongst the left and right and that greeks are the same. When in reality, greek skews heavily left and romans heavily right.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Oh i see so you mean the divide wont change because left and right is already more or less greek roman. There is domain dependence though. You only focus on money. E.g. historically the american right is extremely greek when it comes to sexuality.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
"Greek when it comes to sexuality" means roman ;-) Only the religious part of the right in the U.S. are rigid when it comes to their sexual thinking. What about artisans? Not really money makers right? Carpenters, plumbers, day laborers paying taxes are roman.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Yes but historically that is a very influental part no? And the same is true for the left. Only a few people are PC crazy, usually centering around academia, most are just normal. Are you sure artisans skew right though? We all do w/ taxes but there's always other factors too.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
I don't really know how influential they are. I think they punch above their weight class because of peculiarities of the US election process i.e. the Iowa caucus. I am certain artisans skew right. One reason is how taxes are deducted.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart @gsvigruha
A plumber earns income and then must remit tax quarterly (estimated taxes) and must pay payroll taxes himself, whereas someone employed by a co. has the taxes deducted immediately (out of sight & mind) and doesn't pay payroll taxes. The employee then usually gets a refund.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Yeah I know the process. My point is there are other factors, maybe plumbers care about free healthcare even more or tend to be immigrants or something. What's really surprising to me is that in France they don't deduct your taxes, you pay them yourself end of the year.
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Yeah, that is very surprising.
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