Looks like this country may drift towards universal healthcare. The idea that regular smokers would be able to partake is incomprehensible to me. I wouldnt give smokers free healthcare at $30/pack in sin taxes - just too costly to treat lung cancer.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Many studies actually point that smokers might be cheaper to the healthcare system (dying earlier = less time on healthcare and avoinding late care costs, which are the most expensive)
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Replying to @obstaclecap
Interesting, did not know that. If they die earlier they also pay fewer taxes no?
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Not necessarily, if its still after the pension age. Also, how do you track who is a smoker? Currently the health insurance industry collects maybe a quarter of healthcare costs or so to make you tick a box on a questionnaire...
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Replying to @gsvigruha
A test like they have for MJ or other drugs? What do you mean?
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
You can always claim second hand smoking. Plus then the test has extra costs. I mean currently the insurance company ask you whether you're a smoker or not when they give you a plan. I assume if you tick smoker the plan is more expensive? I could be wrong though.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
I don't know. I'm not sure people who regularly expose themselves to second hand smoke in the USA ought to be insurable either.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
It all depends on the circumstances right? What if you were exposed before the ban on restaurants etc. I kind of agree with the sentiment that its freeriding but in practice it could be the cheapest to just drop the complexity.
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Replying to @gsvigruha
WebMD: Hair testing is a reliable way to figure out long-term use of tobacco products and can be very accurate for as long as 1 to 3 months after you stop using tobacco.
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Replying to @Molson_Hart
Anyway. What i also wanted to ask is that on what do you base the original claim (usa shifting towards universal healthcare)?
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Unless high fat, low carbohydrate diets end obesity in this country fast, healthcare costs are not sustainable. Eventually drastic changes will need to be made.
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