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    1. Proof Of Logic‏ @ProofOfLogic 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ModelOfTheory

      Selfish wants about population ethics are like "I want kids" or "I want there to be more people around here"

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    2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      i think those are things people can have both selfish and otherish reasons for wanting

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    3. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      "having kids is a gratifying experience" selfish, "i want my kids to prosper after my death" non-selfish, but

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    4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      here "selfish" and "non-selfish" aren't meant as condemnation/praise or as a claim of negative sumness or so on

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    5. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      just as "self-regarding" and "other-regarding". which are concepts a pref utilitarian would have to flesh out

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    6. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      i'm closer to a "list of good things" utilitarian than a preference utilitarian, though, anyway

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    7. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      but i'm not really a utilitarian because just as value of life isn't sum of values of observer-moments,

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    8. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      value of set of lives isn't the sum of values of lives. OR EVEN any function of those values at all

      1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
    9. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      i tend to disagree w critiques of utilitarianism that take the form "no use a different function than the sum"

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    10. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic @ModelOfTheory

      like, i think the function that comes closest is probably something like the sum. but it isn't a function

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      Model Of Theory‏ @ModelOfTheory 29 Oct 2016
      Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic

      Sum isn't close, because sum is unbounded, and thus expected value can be undefined.

      5:20 PM - 29 Oct 2016
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        2. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          measure-weighted sum then

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        3. Model Of Theory‏ @ModelOfTheory 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic

          What? I would say use f∘sum, where f:ℝ→[0,1] is monotonic, but it doesn't sound like you're describing that.

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        4. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          well how are we defining what's one thing to sum over. if one thing is "finite fraction of available measure"

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        5. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          then there are finitely many things. even if in some other sense there are infinitely many

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        6. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          like are me and my clone one thing or are we two things. and so on

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        7. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          i don't really understand these issues but they intuitively feel orthogonal to whether sum is a good function

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        8. Vessel Of Spirit‏ @VesselOfSpirit 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ModelOfTheory @ProofOfLogic

          which i guess you agree with because you suggest separating it into a sum and a transformation to unit interval

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        9. Model Of Theory‏ @ModelOfTheory 29 Oct 2016
          Replying to @VesselOfSpirit @ProofOfLogic

          Still not sure what you mean. Twitter is probably not the best platform to continue this conversation.

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