Well, yes, I see your point, but the fact that there's a community at all suggests they are talking. They're just reinforcing really toxic concepts rather than offering support.
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Ah, but I'm not talking about that community. I'm talking about men who are equally appalled by those toxic concepts as women but who remain silent because they're not a target and are embarassed by this community.
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I think my point was that it's not enough to talk, per se, although speaking up is good. I'd have said "men need to support each other more".
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Agreed
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