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Former Congressional candidate for #CA29 #Progressive It's We The People, not we the few #weareallhuman Personal @evo7ve

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    1. Michael R Guzik‏Verified account @MichaelRGuzik Jan 8

      I have a hard time understanding how a religion would take up a position that says that only certain people are welcome. Doesn't that go against God? #UMC #religion #LGBTQ #WhyIFight for #The29th #CA29 #unitedmethodistchurch #unitedmethodist #resisthttps://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-methodist-church-splits-lgbt-united-20200103-7vbcxyqivjgljiithuwn4iqnia-story.html …

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    2. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
      Replying to @MichaelRGuzik

      You misunderstand UM teaching. Everyone is indeed welcome; that is the case in every UM congregation on earth. But, obviously, not everyone is ordained clergy. We have the right to discern that & to not ordain those who are unrepentant of sinful behaviors.

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    3. Michael R Guzik‏Verified account @MichaelRGuzik Jan 8
      Replying to @KeithMcilwain

      What sinful behavior are you speaking of?

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    4. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
      Replying to @MichaelRGuzik

      In this case, the Church believes that homosexual practice is incompatible with Christian teaching. The UMC agrees with the broad ecumenical consensus of classical orthodox Christianity for the past 2000 years. Surely it's fair to expect UM clergy to follow UM teaching.

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    5. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
      Replying to @KeithMcilwain @MichaelRGuzik

      But, to your original point, you said that the Church doesn't welcome everyone. That is entirely false. Everyone is welcome, but, obviously, not everyone is ordained clergy.

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    6. Michael R Guzik‏Verified account @MichaelRGuzik Jan 8
      Replying to @KeithMcilwain

      You're still excluding people based on who they are. That includes not recognizing gay marriage. It's the same as if the church said women can not be clergy. Where does the Bible say members of the LGBTQ community can not be clergy?

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    7. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
      Replying to @MichaelRGuzik

      You’re getting off track. The point is that, contrary to your initial tweet, everyone IS welcome. Surely you don’t expect the Church (ANY Church) to ordain anyone who wants ordained. The Church has the right to discern appropriate candidates.

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    8. Michael R Guzik‏Verified account @MichaelRGuzik Jan 8
      Replying to @KeithMcilwain

      Everyone's tithes are welcome but if you want to get married in your church it must be a man and a woman and forget about preaching. Doesn't sound like a place that welcomes ALLL.

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    9. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
      Replying to @MichaelRGuzik

      Well, yes...a wedding in a UM church should follow UM teaching & policy, and the UMC teaches marriage is one man one woman. Surely you agree that the Church can practice orthodox Christian understanding of marriage. We don’t marry EVERYONE.

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      Michael R Guzik‏Verified account @MichaelRGuzik Jan 8
      Replying to @KeithMcilwain

      It still seems hypocritical. Good said everyone is welcome.

      6:25 PM - 8 Jan 2020
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        1. Keith Mcilwain‏ @KeithMcilwain Jan 8
          Replying to @MichaelRGuzik

          Yes; everyone IS welcome. Jesus welcomes everyone. But he didn’t make EVERYONE an apostle.

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