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    The Mental Elf‏ @Mental_Elf Jun 22

    People tell me: "The plural of stories is not data" That's true: "The plural of stories is culture" @jamesfm55 at #evidencelivepic.twitter.com/ciGbHpWwcI

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      2. David Colquhoun‏ @david_colquhoun Jun 22
        Replying to @Mental_Elf @Ruth_Garside and

        true, but is it very helpful? @EvidenceLive

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      3. Dave‏ @hullodave Jun 22
        Replying to @david_colquhoun @Mental_Elf and

        You don't think culture's helpful?

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      4. David Colquhoun‏ @david_colquhoun Jun 22
        Replying to @hullodave @Mental_Elf and

        It's important, if over-used, But not for curing sick people,

        4 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      5. Ruth Garside‏ @Ruth_Garside Jun 22
        Replying to @david_colquhoun @hullodave and

        Culture frames pts'&HCPs' expectations, interpretations& experiences of health, illness, tx, consultation-impacts on these so on effectivess

        3 replies 1 retweet 3 likes
      6. David Colquhoun‏ @david_colquhoun Jun 22
        Replying to @Ruth_Garside @hullodave and

        Sorry, but speaking as both patienf and as statistician, I find stuff like that pretty insulting #EvidenceLive

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
      7. Ruth Garside‏ @Ruth_Garside Jun 22
        Replying to @david_colquhoun @hullodave and

        I could be wicked and suggest your response is, of itself, the result of cultural framing, but I won't.

        2 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. David Colquhoun‏ @david_colquhoun Jun 22
        Replying to @Ruth_Garside @hullodave and

        I'm disappointed that you aren't responding to my points at all #EvidenceLive

        2 replies 0 retweets 1 like
      9. Ruth Garside‏ @Ruth_Garside Jun 22
        Replying to @david_colquhoun @hullodave and

        .....I'm sorry you have been frustrated by discussions that don't acknowledge your experience of pain.

        1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes
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      2. Caroline Fiennes‏ @carolinefiennes Jun 22
        Replying to @Mental_Elf @jamesfm55

        'Stories' is a plural term ;-)

        2 replies 0 retweets 3 likes
      3. The Mental Elf‏ @Mental_Elf Jun 22
        Replying to @carolinefiennes @jamesfm55

        Thanks for that Caroline! The #EvidenceLive pedant prize goes to you 😇

        0 replies 0 retweets 2 likes
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      2. Jim Smith‏ @jklm Jun 23
        Replying to @Mental_Elf @jamesfm55 @careopinion

        …If the stories are representative; otherwise, subculture?

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      3. James Munro‏ @jamesfm55 Jun 23
        Replying to @jklm @Mental_Elf @careopinion

        Good thought. I'd say it's not so much whether the stories are representative... It's whether they are recognised, and accepted.

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      4. Jim Smith‏ @jklm Jun 23
        Replying to @jamesfm55 @Mental_Elf @careopinion

        In which case, they would become more representative.

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      5. James Munro‏ @jamesfm55 Jun 23
        Replying to @jklm @Mental_Elf @careopinion

        Apologies. I thought you meant representative in a statistical sense.

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      6. Jim Smith‏ @jklm Jun 23
        Replying to @jamesfm55 @Mental_Elf @careopinion

        Well, sort of did. If stories of some get accepted by many, then those same stories would then better reflect the larger population.

        1 reply 0 retweets 1 like
      7. James Munro‏ @jamesfm55 Jun 23
        Replying to @jklm @Mental_Elf @careopinion

        Ah got it! Yes, it's a dynamic relationship... Sharing stories changes the culture more broadly. But very slowly, I think.

        0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
      8. End of conversation
    1. Colleen Good‏ @ColleenGoodOT Jun 27
      Replying to @Mental_Elf @jamesfm55 @careopinion

      So true!

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    2. Ian Sadler‏ @DramMeister Jun 28
      Replying to @Mental_Elf @sarahyounie and

      It's some of culture. Unless you have all stories, it has to be partial.

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    3. Sally Burch‏ @KeelaToo Jun 22
      Replying to @Mental_Elf

      @BMJ_CE @jamesfm55 @careopinion So self reported subjective outcomes are just stories & not data? Makes questionnaires doubtful

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