Member Of Species

(I'm not saying this point is new to e.g. @willdoingthings in the aliens context; just emphasizing it as a potential focus for discussion.)

The natural result of e.g. acausal negotiation seems to be everyone lives in a semi-alien utopia, like Three Worlds Collide.

@MemberOfSpecies big obvious godly optimizations might interfere with subtler mechanisms for incentivizing and/or testing virtue

@MemberOfSpecies and idk it seems humans are fucking terrible and if the gods help us then it'll be virtue-increasing not QALY-increasing

@MemberOfSpecies i think it's easy to forget how utterly terrible and disgusting humans are

@willdoingthings I don't know how to translate that claim in non-emotive terms.

@MemberOfSpecies humans are objectively bad and should only be left alive because mercy, 'helping' them would be like rewarding them

@willdoingthings Objectively bad compared to what?