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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 9 May 2018
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    🚋 Trolley problem not looking good in an empirical test. Subjects were much more consequentialist when choosing in reality than in the thought experiment. (I am glad.)https://twitter.com/DHBostyn/status/994253781696155650 …

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    Dries Bostyn @DHBostyn
    Do peoples' judgments on hypothetical trolley dilemmas predict what they would do in a real-life trolley dilemma situation? Our new paper in Psychological Science uncovers intriguing differences between hypothetical and real-life moral judgment. http://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/0956797617752640 … pic.twitter.com/PLaxL1pKsu
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      2. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 9 May 2018
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        Replicated by anyone else?

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 9 May 2018
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        Second publication in the field, apparently (has a decent seeming literature review). Statistical analysis looked basically sane (but I don’t know enough to critique other than obvious errors). Yes, certainly does need replication in any case.

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      2. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 10 May 2018
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        My other thought was the "consequentialism" is weird. How do we know which consequences are un/desirable? By means of *deontology* (i.e. with reference to social norms). This is also how we define *virtue*.

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 10 May 2018
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        Well, these are the standard categories in current mainstream moral theory. I agree that they are dubious.

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      1. Kevin Kwok‏ @kevinakwok 9 May 2018
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        I am huge fan of testing revealed vs stated preferences. But I worry in this case may be that humans are much more consequentialist with mice because they view them as fungible. And don't view humans similarly

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      2. Benjamin Dean Mahala‏ @BenDMahala 9 May 2018
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        I mean, if you make it even slightly realistic it becomes obvious. If it was 9/11, would you shoot down (or order to shoot down) a Jet that you had strong reason to believe was hijacked? Would you blame someone who did?

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      1. Dan Montgomery‏ @danopato 9 May 2018
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        The correct answer here is to hit the experimenter shocking the other mice.

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      1. 𝕵𝐚𝐲𝐚𝐫𝐚𝐯𝐚‏ @Jayarava 10 May 2018
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        And also that to be consequentialist implies that we have time to reflect on consequences before we act. So what happens when subjects don't have time to reflect? And doesn't giving people time imply some bias towards consequentialism in the exptal design!

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      2. We're A Plague Ship Not A Coffin‏ @TristanSevers 9 May 2018
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        iirc this is also true when you try giving the prisoners' dilemma to real prisoners: they are way better at cooperating than the college students are.

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      3.  🧛‍♀️ 🎠VERMIN SUPREME 2020  🎠 🧛‍♀️‏ @AmbrosialArts 9 May 2018
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        They know what it's like to play this game more than once in a row.

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