Roughly, yes - as long as it allows that different actions will be optimal for different people because they have different models of the world and utility functions.
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Also, I've been discussing optimal decision-making abstractly... and in the real world, ofc, we face a bunch of constraints & uncertainty, & it's not straightforward how to apply the "maximize EV" rule in practice. But I think rationalists ~agree it's the optimal rule in theory.
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... re-reading the latter part of your definition.
@Meaningness, I don't think the "one weird trick" description is accurate. It's more like: there's one correct normative model in theory, which cannot possibly be approximated by a single rule in practice...2 replies 0 retweets 4 likes -
... but we can look for collections of "tricks" that seem like they bring us closer to the normative model. e.g., "On the margin, taking more small risks is likely to increase your EV" is one example
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One thing I like about the rationalist community is they are willing with good cheer to help someone who is criticizing them accurately recount their beliefs.
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I am doing my best to steelman. I intend to circulate a pre-publication draft to any self-identified rationalists who are willing to critique it.
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Important: by “rationalists,” I do NOT primarily mean the LW-derived community. I’m pointing to a whole history going back to the Ancient Greeks, and whose most prototypical example is early-20th-century logical positivism.
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I think that much of the best work of the LW-derived community is “meta-rational” as I define that. The book is supposed to explain why that is a good thing.
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Out of curiosity, do you think that the claims I've been laying out would be well-described as a "meta-rational" worldview, or if not, what's the distance between the not-quite-"rationalist" picture I've been painting and what you see as "meta-rational"?
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The element that I’d call clearly meta-rational is understanding that rationality is not one well-defined thing but a bag of tricks that are more-or-less applicable in different situations. It’s meta-rational in that it’s about how rationality works and is used in practice.
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Meta-rationalism is based on an understanding that reality is unfixably “nebulous”—there is no correct description of it. I think I may hear that in what you said, also?
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Well, that's certainly central to my own personal worldview, but I can't quite connect it to CFAR rationality. Perhaps the platonic form of CFAR rationality holds that there definitely is "more correct" but maybe there isn't a "most correct". idk,
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tbh, I mostly try to stay away from debates over whether there is one objectively correct "Truth," or "Reality," bc I find them too confusing, & they don't end up seeming relevant to real decision-making anyway
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