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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      I’m reasonably sure not. Mainstream Buddhism isn’t a mystery religion at all. It has a surprisingly formal, well-developed epistemological theory, which explicitly takes scripture as unquestionable Truth.

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    2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      In other words, even the most evolved adherents of mainstream Buddhism will not have agency over the contents of their beliefs (i.e. need to skip parts of what is roughly Kegan's stage 4)?

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Stage 4, if I understand Kegan correctly, just means you have a system. Any system. It can be completely bogus. The Buddhist systems are completely bogus, imo.

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    4. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      Perhaps I don't understand Kegan correctly, but imho stage 4 marks the departure from externally assimilated beliefs to internally constructed ones, and that necessary involves the exploration of the criteria for valid beliefs? (Not that I want to discuss Kegan exegetics here.)

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Oh, I see, interesting! Yes, I can see how you could interpret it that way. But my understanding is that generally the system you adopt at stage 4 is one that is publicly available.

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    6. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      Do you think that there are multiple valid epistemologies (i.e. systems to establish truth that lead to different truths but are equally valid)? And don't you think that public availability is incidental instead of relevant?

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      I don’t think there are any valid epistemologies—not in the strong sense rationalism wants. And, I do think public availability is critical. Individual minds are no powerful enough to go more than a tiny bit beyond what’s already understood.

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    8. Rajinder Joat‏ @bloodyquantum 5 May 2018
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      What would be powerful enough ?

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      New understandings emerge from a gradual accumulation of small insights from many people. Sometimes suddenly pieces fit together, and there is a dramatic advance—but it depends on that prior incremental improvement.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Sometimes a genius pulls the pieces together. But even then, simultaneous invention shows that the genius stood on the shoulder of thousands of pretty smart people.

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      Newton was a genius—but Leibnitz invented calculus mostly-independently at the same time. And Newton’s PhD thesis advisor developed much more of the theory than is generally known: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Barrow …

      5:51 PM - 5 May 2018
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        1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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          I wrote about how new understandings emerge, and what conditions make that more or less likely, here:https://meaningness.com/metablog/upgrade-your-cargo-cult …

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        1. Rajinder Joat‏ @bloodyquantum 5 May 2018
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          One thing Ray Kurzweil got right was the confluence flurry which occurs at a tipping/inflection point. Although stretching that out to infinity and beyond always felt intellectually disingenuous in order to divine to the Hoi Poloi. 🙄

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