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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      First principle of epistemology (confidence in belief must equal evidence in support) is the foundation of gaining agency over one's beliefs, but incompatible with many religious narratives. If you get through the school of mysteries, do they eventually tell you this secret?

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      I’m reasonably sure not. Mainstream Buddhism isn’t a mystery religion at all. It has a surprisingly formal, well-developed epistemological theory, which explicitly takes scripture as unquestionable Truth.

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    3. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      In other words, even the most evolved adherents of mainstream Buddhism will not have agency over the contents of their beliefs (i.e. need to skip parts of what is roughly Kegan's stage 4)?

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Stage 4, if I understand Kegan correctly, just means you have a system. Any system. It can be completely bogus. The Buddhist systems are completely bogus, imo.

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    5. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      Perhaps I don't understand Kegan correctly, but imho stage 4 marks the departure from externally assimilated beliefs to internally constructed ones, and that necessary involves the exploration of the criteria for valid beliefs? (Not that I want to discuss Kegan exegetics here.)

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Oh, I see, interesting! Yes, I can see how you could interpret it that way. But my understanding is that generally the system you adopt at stage 4 is one that is publicly available.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      Stage 4 does give you more control, because you do take beliefs and emotions as object, rather than subject. However, your self (subject) is structured by principles you take over from your culture; you can’t construct those from scratch.

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      Rationalism/empiricism is one possible stage 4 structure.

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    9. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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      Could you somehow prove that there is no optimal learning theory, or do you derive your rejection of rationalism just from your difficulty to find it?

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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      There can be no absolute proofs about anything in the macroscopic world. However, there are stronger and weaker arguments. And there are strong reasons to think there can be no optimal learning theory…

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      Philosophers of science spent decades trying to find a provably correct theory of induction. Instead, they found more and more reasons to think that no such theory is possible.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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          Half a century ago, the field switched to trying to understand more clearly why no such theory is possible, and (more importantly) why science often works anyway.

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          There are many different reasons (which the Eggplant book is supposed to explain). A simple one: there are always unboundedly many things that *might* happen, that you can’t know about.

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        2. Joscha Bach‏ @Plinz 5 May 2018
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          So there is no proof, just handwaving. (Btw., would you not be surprised if there was such a proof?)

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 5 May 2018
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          There aren’t any proofs of anything, other than in math. There is only evidence and reasoning, which can’t add up to proof. Sometimes they are overwhelmingly convincing, though.

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