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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @nevaudit @derekvan @everytstudies

      Meta-rationality is figuring out what rational method(s) to apply in a particular situation, and how. Does that seem like an incoherent concept?

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    2. Willard‏ @nevaudit 26 Apr 2018
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      I think rationality already fits that bill. If rationality is meta then meta-rationality is meta-meta-rationality, which looks absurd to me. The very idea of a conceptual scheme is problematic: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3129898  I believe what you're referring to is called meta-cognition.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @nevaudit @derekvan @everytstudies

      Metacognition is definitely a related category! It’s much broader, however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition …

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    4. Willard‏ @nevaudit 26 Apr 2018
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      It does encompass a variety of propositional attitudes. Now, what would be the propositional attitude meta-rationality is about: "rationalizing"? Searching around, I've found this, via @johncarlosbaez: http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/deceive.pdf … I'm not convinced by their definition.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      Oh, sorry! To be clear: I have a proprietary definition of “meta-rational,” a term that has few previous uses. My use is *roughly* similar to that of the few precursors, but not identical. This might be a good starting point (though not ideal):https://meaningness.com/metablog/bongard-meta-rationality …

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      There’s a detailed discussion of the meaning of the term in the forthcoming Eggplant book, but that is not yet out:https://meaningness.com/eggplant 

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    7. Willard‏ @nevaudit 26 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @derekvan and

      Thanks for these. I'll take a look, but as I alluded to earlier, I don't buy the idea that we can think "outside the box." Best of luck.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @nevaudit @derekvan and

      I’m not sure what you mean by “out of the box.” The section on the Church-Turing Thesis may be relevant? Here’s an excerpt:pic.twitter.com/53tlVjB8X2

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    9. Willard‏ @nevaudit 26 Apr 2018
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      By "thinking out of the box," I'm hinting at what you refer to as the "meta-systematic cognition" that "manipulates systems from the outside." The Gödel, Escher, Bach citation leads me to believe that you associate rationality to systematic rule following. I doubt it's the case.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      Replying to @nevaudit @derekvan and

      [I’ll drop the others from this thread on the supposition that they may not be interested in detail]

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 26 Apr 2018
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      FWIW, I take “rationality” as only nebulously defined, and has having several clusters of usages. Systematic rule-following is certainly one of them. It’s not one I’d prioritize (although I agree Hoffstadter seems to).

      10:56 PM - 26 Apr 2018
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        1. Willard‏ @nevaudit 27 Apr 2018
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          https://twitter.com/nevaudit/status/779413325629235201 …

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          Willard @nevaudit
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          Here's a review of Hofstadter's GEB, @mtobis - > It is the kind of book that writes its own review. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/00455091.1981.10716338 … In a graph: pic.twitter.com/Cd4NU3PIjS
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