I would say that Jordan tried to hide his supernaturalism from Sam with a half-baked notion of truth, and Sam fell for his usual failure to listen. We discussed this debate in the comments of: https://andthentheresphysics.wordpress.com/2017/11/04/jordan-peterson-speaks-the-truth/#comment-105661 … I don't believe meta-rationality is a coherent concept, BTW.
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Meta-rationality is figuring out what rational method(s) to apply in a particular situation, and how. Does that seem like an incoherent concept?
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I think rationality already fits that bill. If rationality is meta then meta-rationality is meta-meta-rationality, which looks absurd to me. The very idea of a conceptual scheme is problematic: https://www.jstor.org/stable/3129898 I believe what you're referring to is called meta-cognition.
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Metacognition is definitely a related category! It’s much broader, however. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metacognition …
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It does encompass a variety of propositional attitudes. Now, what would be the propositional attitude meta-rationality is about: "rationalizing"? Searching around, I've found this, via
@johncarlosbaez: http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/deceive.pdf … I'm not convinced by their definition.1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
Oh, sorry! To be clear: I have a proprietary definition of “meta-rational,” a term that has few previous uses. My use is *roughly* similar to that of the few precursors, but not identical. This might be a good starting point (though not ideal):https://meaningness.com/metablog/bongard-meta-rationality …
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Replying to @Meaningness @nevaudit and
There’s a detailed discussion of the meaning of the term in the forthcoming Eggplant book, but that is not yet out:https://meaningness.com/eggplant
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Thanks for these. I'll take a look, but as I alluded to earlier, I don't buy the idea that we can think "outside the box." Best of luck.
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I’m not sure what you mean by “out of the box.” The section on the Church-Turing Thesis may be relevant? Here’s an excerpt:pic.twitter.com/53tlVjB8X2
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By "thinking out of the box," I'm hinting at what you refer to as the "meta-systematic cognition" that "manipulates systems from the outside." The Gödel, Escher, Bach citation leads me to believe that you associate rationality to systematic rule following. I doubt it's the case.
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[I’ll drop the others from this thread on the supposition that they may not be interested in detail]
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Replying to @Meaningness @nevaudit
FWIW, I take “rationality” as only nebulously defined, and has having several clusters of usages. Systematic rule-following is certainly one of them. It’s not one I’d prioritize (although I agree Hoffstadter seems to).
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