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David Chapman
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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Mar 2018
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      “Values” are a local and recent myth. Passage from an insightful essay on the illness of the humanities, in which it is a peripheral point. But it jumped out because I tweeted a similar observation a few days ago. https://www.chronicle.com/article/There-Is-No-Case-for-the/242724 …pic.twitter.com/0xYRlaJOhZ

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    2. Jes Wolfe!‏ @jes5199 11 Mar 2018
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      I thought "Meaningness" was about Values, so this is surprising to me. Basically every time you use the word "meaning" I would use the word "value". What am I missing?

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 11 Mar 2018
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      I’m realizing it will take a fairly long essay to explain this. I thought it was kind of obvious, but responses on twitter show that it’s not at all.

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    4. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 12 Mar 2018
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      This is because when David says "values" he actually means ideological commitments. For some reason he can't bring himself to acknowledge the multiple senses of the term.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Mar 2018
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      I’m not sure… the things usually cited as values are very simple (freedom, truth, fairness). Ideologies are complex by comparison

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    6. Jes Wolfe!‏ @jes5199 12 Mar 2018
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      OK, I think now maybe I get your original point. There's no such thing as pure Freedom, etc. Hmm.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Mar 2018
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      Yes… these seem to be abstract invocations of holiness, rather than being well-enough defined that they have meaningful consequences.

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    8. Jes Wolfe!‏ @jes5199 12 Mar 2018
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      fair enough. But sometimes I get a freedom-flavored sense of meaning from some action or situation, so I evaluate it as good. You argue that the value-part of that is illusory?

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Mar 2018
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      It’s extremely abstract. In any specific case, you have to ask “which freedoms? for whom? traded off against what?” With answers to such questions, it can be a useful concept. But saying “You must do X, because freedom!” is an illegitimate memetic power-play.

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Mar 2018
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          With specific answers, you get some sort of principled system. “Freedom FTW!!” is the “values” version instead.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 12 Mar 2018
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          “Freedom FTW!!” usually means “we intend to grab your stuff and force you to work for us.” So does “Hooray X!!” for any “value” X.

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