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David Chapman
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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @robamacl @danlistensto

      Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc @edelwax

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    2. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 2 Mar 2018
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      Also, most of the action-guiding or attention-guiding ideas you cover when you talk about Buddhism are values on my definition, so it would be surprising if you thought they were only used retrospectively.

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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      Could you give an example of that?

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    4. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 3 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @robamacl @danlistensto

      Some of David's values (they are good ones!): passionate and spacious engagement with this world, accepting uncertainty, approaching problems in a fluid mode, nobility, vastness, reverence for every ordinary thing

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      I’m still uncertain how to reply to this. Given the vagueness of the category, I agree these might be called virtues.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      I would describe them as “methods,” instead, but my use of that word is also somewhat technical (deriving from Dzogchen).

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @edelwax and

      The advantage of “methods” is that it suggests these are things you can work at quite directly, where “values” might be ideals that are so vague they don’t really inform practical action, and “virtues” might sound like they’re innate.

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    8. urza ⚡‏ @urza_cc 4 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @Meaningness @edelwax and

      Can you give examples of what you mean by values so vague they don't inform practical actions?

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @urza_cc @edelwax and

      Fairness, freedom, decency. These can be invoked to justify either side of many policy disputes.

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    10. urza ⚡‏ @urza_cc 4 Mar 2018
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      Hm I see. They can be abused by someone as justification because they are more abstract. But if you are honest and e.g. you value freedom, it can surely help you decide/form your action/policy that will increase freedom or protect it.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Well, maybe sometimes… but in concretely cases there are always trade-offs. Which freedom, for whom? The gay wedding cake issue, for instance. And people usually say freedom has to be balanced against other values.

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