Oh, I was unclear. Those were just sneer quotes. There’s no difference.
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is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?
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Well, the culture war usage (on both sides) is a particularly harmful manifestation. But “values” is a folk-psychological notion that doesn’t correspond to anything in reality, and is actively misleading in understanding motivations.
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This depends partly on pre-replication-crisis results (especially situationism), but see http://humancond.org/analysis/social/attitude_behavior_gap … My take is that "attitudes" or values are adopted for social signalling rather than as basis for behavior.
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But behavior patterns such as pro-natalist early reproduction vs. college/delayed reproduction are as
@Meaningness has noted have something to do with "family values". Generally values are trotted out to support political positions, and are often quite vague. "Fairness", "family"1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc
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Also, most of the action-guiding or attention-guiding ideas you cover when you talk about Buddhism are values on my definition, so it would be surprising if you thought they were only used retrospectively.
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Could you give an example of that?
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Some of David's values (they are good ones!): passionate and spacious engagement with this world, accepting uncertainty, approaching problems in a fluid mode, nobility, vastness, reverence for every ordinary thing
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I’m still uncertain how to reply to this. Given the vagueness of the category, I agree these might be called virtues.
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Sorry, I meant “values”, not “virtues” here! Must have been confusing. I’m seriously short on sleep.https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/970385477260820480 …
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