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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 2 Mar 2018
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      This depends partly on pre-replication-crisis results (especially situationism), but see http://humancond.org/analysis/social/attitude_behavior_gap … My take is that "attitudes" or values are adopted for social signalling rather than as basis for behavior.

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    2. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 2 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @robamacl @Meaningness @danlistensto

      But behavior patterns such as pro-natalist early reproduction vs. college/delayed reproduction are as @Meaningness has noted have something to do with "family values". Generally values are trotted out to support political positions, and are often quite vague. "Fairness", "family"

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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      Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc @edelwax

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    4. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 4 Mar 2018
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      Would you say this describes also the values of yours I quoted here?https://twitter.com/edelwax/status/969930437907943425 …

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      Some of David's values (they are good ones!): passionate and spacious engagement with this world, accepting uncertainty, approaching problems in a fluid mode, nobility, vastness, reverence for every ordinary thing
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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Sorry, I hadn’t figured out how to reply to your earlier tweets yet. I guess I’m not sure how you are using the word “values”; e.g. how close it is to the everyday usage vs. a specialized technical one; and quite what work you want it to do.

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    6. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 4 Mar 2018
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      It is specialized but congruent with a common meaning of the word. I am labeling communicable ideas that guide us in action but which are about manner of approach rather than outcome. Some examples: https://workflowy.com/s/BXLe.pGpfIWygY3 … Look carefully, you'll find many use it this way.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Replying to @edelwax @robamacl @danlistensto

      This seems like a useful notion… maybe it’s closer to “virtues” than “values”? Nearly all the examples in your document seem like they would count as “virtues” in a standard virtue-ethics framing?

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    8. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 4 Mar 2018
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      Yes, virtues are a subset. Virtues are usually held to be moral. Values can include aesthetic ideas which guide us, ideas which guide us without focus on others' wellbeing, etc. Also as a pairing for "respect anothers' goals", "respect anothers' values" > "...virtues".

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      OK… there are some usages in which “virtues” cover much wider ground than just ethics, covering e.g. aesthetics and epistemology. But as long as one is clear about how the word is used, it doesn’t matter so much which word one picks!

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    10. Joe Edelman  🐝‏ @edelwax 4 Mar 2018
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      Let's see if we can agree: 1/ some people use values to mean what you are calling virtues or methods 2/ in this usage, the invocation of values is not a fake-out or retrospective trick 3/ the idea of acknowledging/respecting another's values/virtues/methods may be important

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 4 Mar 2018
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      Yes, I agree with all those!

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