Oh, I was unclear. Those were just sneer quotes. There’s no difference.
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is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?
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Well, the culture war usage (on both sides) is a particularly harmful manifestation. But “values” is a folk-psychological notion that doesn’t correspond to anything in reality, and is actively misleading in understanding motivations.
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This depends partly on pre-replication-crisis results (especially situationism), but see http://humancond.org/analysis/social/attitude_behavior_gap … My take is that "attitudes" or values are adopted for social signalling rather than as basis for behavior.
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But behavior patterns such as pro-natalist early reproduction vs. college/delayed reproduction are as
@Meaningness has noted have something to do with "family values". Generally values are trotted out to support political positions, and are often quite vague. "Fairness", "family"1 reply 0 retweets 1 like -
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Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc
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Also, most of the action-guiding or attention-guiding ideas you cover when you talk about Buddhism are values on my definition, so it would be surprising if you thought they were only used retrospectively.
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Could you give an example of that?
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Some of David's values (they are good ones!): passionate and spacious engagement with this world, accepting uncertainty, approaching problems in a fluid mode, nobility, vastness, reverence for every ordinary thing
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I’m still uncertain how to reply to this. Given the vagueness of the category, I agree these might be called virtues.
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I would describe them as “methods,” instead, but my use of that word is also somewhat technical (deriving from Dzogchen).
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The advantage of “methods” is that it suggests these are things you can work at quite directly, where “values” might be ideals that are so vague they don’t really inform practical action, and “virtues” might sound like they’re innate.
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