But the shift to stage 5 ethics consists of realizing first that these “values” are empty posturing (which can drop you in stage 4.5 ethical nihilism) and then finding a new ethical sensibility that recovers them as nebulous objects, rather than constitutive of the subject.
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Replying to @Meaningness @delysis
Does "values" imply a systematicity that isn't there?
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Replying to @everytstudies @delysis
That’s my take, yes. The ideal of stage 4 ethics is an axiomatic system in which the correct amount to tip a waiter can be logically derived from a handful of axioms (“values”), via a chain of increasingly specific theorems.
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Replying to @Meaningness @delysis
Huh. I've never considered "values" to be synonymous with a full-blown ethical theory. I care about things, and I call that having values, but I don't have a formal ethical system (because that's silly). Well that's words for ya.
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Replying to @everytstudies @delysis
I care about many things, but most of them no one would call “values.” (Anomalocaridids, for instance.) One would need an account of what makes a caring a value?
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Replying to @Meaningness @everytstudies
OK. Please check my understanding, that the distinction is that you’d need a rationalization for why you care about Anomalocaridids for there to be a ‘value’ as opposed to just ‘a thing you care about’.
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Replying to @delysis @everytstudies
Oh, I have no idea why I care about anomalocaridids! I was asking
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Replying to @Meaningness @everytstudies
Right. But if you did have a conception of why they appeal, would that reflect on ‘values’ in a way that just knowing you like it in isolation doesn’t?
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Replying to @delysis
I guess I can’t answer that, because I don’t think the “values” concept is actually useful for thinking about things like this.
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Replying to @Meaningness
Right, that was a silly question given your stated position on ‘values’ as a concept. Is there another word for predictive commonalities and patterns among things one cares about and not?
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Good question! I’m not sure there is a good term. In the ball park: preferences; goals; life style; personality characteristics; orientation; …
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