is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?
That’s my take, yes. The ideal of stage 4 ethics is an axiomatic system in which the correct amount to tip a waiter can be logically derived from a handful of axioms (“values”), via a chain of increasingly specific theorems.
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Huh. I've never considered "values" to be synonymous with a full-blown ethical theory. I care about things, and I call that having values, but I don't have a formal ethical system (because that's silly). Well that's words for ya.
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I care about many things, but most of them no one would call “values.” (Anomalocaridids, for instance.) One would need an account of what makes a caring a value?
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Maybe the 3-part taxonomy here is relevant. “Values” comes in around 1.5 maybe. Mostly counterproductive to understanding, but sometimes helpful as a vague category when communicating in an everyday sense.https://meaningness.com/eggplant/remodeling#extinction …
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Values are an attempt to make motivation legible. Values are particularly nebulous, resting more heavily on the "you know what I mean" that is always implied when we start talking.
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I add that motivation is curiously absent from (non evolutionary) psychology. I found a bit on what affects motivation intensity (of interest to mangers), but nothing on why we want what it is that we want, outside of weak ideas like self enhancement.
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