what are "values" and how are those distinct from values?
But the shift to stage 5 ethics consists of realizing first that these “values” are empty posturing (which can drop you in stage 4.5 ethical nihilism) and then finding a new ethical sensibility that recovers them as nebulous objects, rather than constitutive of the subject.
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Does "values" imply a systematicity that isn't there?
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That’s my take, yes. The ideal of stage 4 ethics is an axiomatic system in which the correct amount to tip a waiter can be logically derived from a handful of axioms (“values”), via a chain of increasingly specific theorems.
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Would you agree that when you said "values don't exist", that is a poor summary? Is still fall into it myself, but I feel is a too common error to say "X isn't real" when what I really mean is "X doesn't work the way we think it does". eg "free will is an illusion".
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This is partly semantic pragmatism. Nothing works the way we think it does, so we quickly end up at "nothing is real", which rather banishes meaning from the specific topic, and from "real" in general. Our meaning is hard won, and I don't aim to throw it all away.
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For me, activity and values have been mutually informing. At some pivotal moments I didn’t understand and couldn’t articulate my values until I observed my behavior and found a frame in which the could be empathized with, reasoned about, and reasoned with.
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