Nobody has any “values.” This is a complete myth; one that does more than anything to drive the destructive culture war. (Anyone know of a good write-up of this? If not, I guess I ought to do it; the confusion seems near-universal.)
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Replying to @Meaningness
what are "values" and how are those distinct from values?
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Replying to @danlistensto
Oh, I was unclear. Those were just sneer quotes. There’s no difference.
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is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?
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Well, the culture war usage (on both sides) is a particularly harmful manifestation. But “values” is a folk-psychological notion that doesn’t correspond to anything in reality, and is actively misleading in understanding motivations.
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Strange. I interpret having values to mean that you care about things, that you make judgments about what's desirable or not in general (not just as a personal experience). Seems obvious that people do that.
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[Best expansion I’ve managed so far:]https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/969643349983375360 …
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David Chapman @MeaningnessReplying to @robamacl @danlistenstoYes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc@edelwax1 reply 0 retweets 0 likes -
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Should I take that as you meaning that we don't actually care about things, that the experience of caring is a construction of our internal PR-officer so to speak? I'm somewhat sympathetic to a version of that but not as a complete theory, I think.
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No; rather, that the caring-about is not meaningfully summarized by “values.” It’s too fine-grained.
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Replying to @Meaningness
I don't see how, maybe the idea requires something longer than a tweet to communicate properly.
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Maybe it's worth adding that *all reasons* for actions/beliefs are post hoc, at least according to Mercier & Sperber. We don't have reasons, then act, We act, then, if asked, introspect to infer plausible reasons. Mostly we never think about why we do what we do.
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