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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Insightful thread from @alicemazzy. I’d add: it’s not about “values.” Those are empty signifiers used merely to construct post hoc rationalizations. Significant instead is the texture of personal experience: different according to social position. https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/969304258947567622 …

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Nobody has any “values.” This is a complete myth; one that does more than anything to drive the destructive culture war. (Anyone know of a good write-up of this? If not, I guess I ought to do it; the confusion seems near-universal.)

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    3. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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      what are "values" and how are those distinct from values?

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Oh, I was unclear. Those were just sneer quotes. There’s no difference.

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    5. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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      is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Well, the culture war usage (on both sides) is a particularly harmful manifestation. But “values” is a folk-psychological notion that doesn’t correspond to anything in reality, and is actively misleading in understanding motivations.

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    7. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 2 Mar 2018
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      Strange. I interpret having values to mean that you care about things, that you make judgments about what's desirable or not in general (not just as a personal experience). Seems obvious that people do that.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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      [Best expansion I’ve managed so far:]https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/969643349983375360 …

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      Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc @edelwax
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    9. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 2 Mar 2018
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      Should I take that as you meaning that we don't actually care about things, that the experience of caring is a construction of our internal PR-officer so to speak? I'm somewhat sympathetic to a version of that but not as a complete theory, I think.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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      No; rather, that the caring-about is not meaningfully summarized by “values.” It’s too fine-grained.

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        2. Delysis‏ @delysis 2 Mar 2018
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          Might that depend on the degree of self-awareness of the person talking about their values? I tend to think most, but not all, people talking about their ‘values’ are deceiving themselves and posturing (without conscious intent, I assume), but some seem to get what they’re about.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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          Yes, I think that’s right. The construction of a systematic self (in Kegan’s sense) involves bringing activity increasingly in line with explicitly-held values.

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        2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 2 Mar 2018
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          I don't see how, maybe the idea requires something longer than a tweet to communicate properly.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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          I’m afraid so!

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