Insightful thread from @alicemazzy.
I’d add: it’s not about “values.” Those are empty signifiers used merely to construct post hoc rationalizations.
Significant instead is the texture of personal experience: different according to social position.
https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/969304258947567622 …
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Also, most of the action-guiding or attention-guiding ideas you cover when you talk about Buddhism are values on my definition, so it would be surprising if you thought they were only used retrospectively.
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Could you give an example of that?
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Would you say this describes also the values of yours I quoted here?https://twitter.com/edelwax/status/969930437907943425 …
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Sorry, I hadn’t figured out how to reply to your earlier tweets yet. I guess I’m not sure how you are using the word “values”; e.g. how close it is to the everyday usage vs. a specialized technical one; and quite what work you want it to do.
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Lucy Suchman’s analysis of plan use (contra Bratman’s school) could probably easily be extended to cover “values” use (as a resource in constructing “accounts” in the ethnomethodological sense). And then the question become empirical psychology rather than philosophy…
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When I read your first tweet about values being a myth, my gut told me it was right, no explanation required. I'm now seeing appeals to "values" everywhere, people making earnest points involving them and I just keep thinking "luckily, values don't exist, hahaha!"
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My fallback standard for "being real" is whether the thing is useful in understanding the world (pragmatic truth). Most convincing when it leads to better-than-random predictions. Do someone's stated or inferred values help you to predict them? IDK, outside tribal correlations.
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I'll check out Suchman, but if you've ever approached a conversation wondering whether to lean more on honest clarity or tact, or if you've a MC'd a ceremony which found a through like between levity and reverence, I would say that values were involved.
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