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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Insightful thread from @alicemazzy. I’d add: it’s not about “values.” Those are empty signifiers used merely to construct post hoc rationalizations. Significant instead is the texture of personal experience: different according to social position. https://twitter.com/alicemazzy/status/969304258947567622 …

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Nobody has any “values.” This is a complete myth; one that does more than anything to drive the destructive culture war. (Anyone know of a good write-up of this? If not, I guess I ought to do it; the confusion seems near-universal.)

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    3. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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      what are "values" and how are those distinct from values?

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Oh, I was unclear. Those were just sneer quotes. There’s no difference.

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    5. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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      is the sneer caused by the culture-war loaded use of the word values? e.g. "values voters" etc. or are you dipping a toe into some post-nihilism here?

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 1 Mar 2018
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      Well, the culture war usage (on both sides) is a particularly harmful manifestation. But “values” is a folk-psychological notion that doesn’t correspond to anything in reality, and is actively misleading in understanding motivations.

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        2. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 2 Mar 2018
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          This depends partly on pre-replication-crisis results (especially situationism), but see http://humancond.org/analysis/social/attitude_behavior_gap … My take is that "attitudes" or values are adopted for social signalling rather than as basis for behavior.

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        3. Rob MacLachlan‏ @robamacl 2 Mar 2018
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          But behavior patterns such as pro-natalist early reproduction vs. college/delayed reproduction are as @Meaningness has noted have something to do with "family values". Generally values are trotted out to support political positions, and are often quite vague. "Fairness", "family"

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        2. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies 2 Mar 2018
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          Strange. I interpret having values to mean that you care about things, that you make judgments about what's desirable or not in general (not just as a personal experience). Seems obvious that people do that.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 2 Mar 2018
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          [Best expansion I’ve managed so far:]https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/969643349983375360 …

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          Yes, my take is that “values” are used (1) to signal personal characteristics, particularly tribe; (2) to retrospectively justify action that did not meaningfully involve them at the time; (3) to construct a coherent (but mostly factually empty) self-narrative. cc @edelwax
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        2. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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          I've generally thought of the word as being a compressed concept that decompresses into a constellation (of varying forms, depending on who/when/what/where) of social norms, survival strategies, and aesthetic judgments.

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        3. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto 1 Mar 2018
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          there's a lot here of course. would love to read a write up from you on it. I don't generally think of it as not corresponding to anything in reality, but rather that the correspondence is to a nebulous meta-concept.

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        1. eigenrobot‏ @eigenrobot 3 Mar 2018
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          hmmm why not work from a microeconomic angle? I bet we probably have some technical interpretations of value that make your point well

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