I think you should drop the s1/s2 metaphor and think in terms of universal Turing machines and cellular automata S1-s2 is too sloppy and neurospecific in a way that obscures the problem
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Replying to @vgr @Meaningness and
Hmm ya. We are trying to reason about ecologies, after all. I do still find it curious that sometimes data immediately leads to behavior change and other times it takes repeated exposure. Habit as attractors -- glider guns in CA - of varying stability?
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Replying to @garybasin @vgr and
I think that understanding the role of internal conflict is really important here. Reading about Perceptual Control Theory helped me a ton with this. I highly recommend checking out this book https://www.amazon.com/Making-Sense-Behavior-Meaning-Control/dp/0964712156/ … or B:CP if you wanna get technical:https://www.amazon.com/Behavior-Perception-William-T-Powers/dp/0964712172/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1514756501&sr=8-1&keywords=behavior+control+of+perception …
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @garybasin and
Also related to this is Robert Kegan's work on what he calls Competing Commitments. It's described in most detail in Immunity to Change: https://www.amazon.com/Immunity-Change-Potential-Organization-Leadership/dp/1422117367/ … Where PCT has really good theory, the ITC framework has pretty good steps for resolving competing commitments.
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @garybasin and
The Guru Papers ch. on addiction also notes the role of conflict in internal stuckness: What's clear is that the smoking *is* meeting some need (not just chemically), even if that need is unacknowledged or furthermore, *repudiated*.pic.twitter.com/LNcSQuyIZ8
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @garybasin and
That's good. worth reading the whole thing?
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Replying to @TaylorPearsonMe @Malcolm_Ocean and
_The Guru Papers_ is a giant sprawling mess of a braindump, but has numerous insights into diverse psychological topics (mostly having nothing to do with gurus). I recommend it!https://meaningness.com/metablog/guru-papers-monism-control …
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Replying to @Meaningness @TaylorPearsonMe and
Speaking of braindumps, it would be awesome to get the Lost Manuscripts of Control. Any strategies for this? Looks like http://joeldiana.com is down as of mid-2017...
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Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @TaylorPearsonMe and
Yeah, I had the same thought! I spent some time scouring the web a year or two ago and turned up some bits but not much. Maybe a pilgrimage to implore the gurus for their wisdom is in order :)
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Braving the perilous path to deepest darkest Marin
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Replying to @Meaningness @garybasin and
They do not gladly suffer fools who go to see them: http://www.leavingsiddhayoga.net/personal_account.htm …
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Replying to @Meaningness @garybasin and
Guru relationships are constructed to be basically induced bipolar disorder. They can only be at absolute trust and absolute betrayal, with no room for the more complex/complete kind based on qualified, context-sensitive trust. This is why I was never even remotely susceptible.
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