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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      If AlphaGo were presented as an incremental engineering result in function approximation methods, no one would have been interested. The hype is that it’s a breakthrough in modeling human intuition.

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    2. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 13 Dec 2017
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      you don't think anyone would have been interested in a computer program that could beat the best human go players???

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      My expectation is that, without a massive disinformational PR campaign, the public would not have considered that at all interesting.

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    4. We're A Plague Ship Not A Coffin‏ @TristanSevers 13 Dec 2017
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      This is probably true, but mostly because Go-playing is a niche activity that lacks emotional valence to the public. It still would've been exciting to people who play Go.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Oh, definitely. But would Google have spent billions of dollars to entertain people who play go?

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    6. Shea Levy‏ @shlevy 13 Dec 2017
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      You're just dismissing the possibility that Google genuinely believes this is a step toward more useful AI... Even if they're wrong.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      I think that’s quite likely. Presumably the confusion starts with DeepMind themselves. (I assume they honestly believe they’ve done something important.) Then, plausibly, they’ve confused Alphabet’s upper management.

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    8. Shea Levy‏ @shlevy 13 Dec 2017
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      So then why the conspiracy theories? If they're wrong, focus on that. Why insinuate nefariousness?

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Deception does not necessarily imply bad intentions. E.g. the whole field of “neural networks” is deceptive inasmuch as they have zero to do with actual neural networks.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      People working in the field know that, but the public doesn’t. My moral judgement is that intellectual honesty would demand a consensus within the field to change the term, but reasonable people could disagree on that.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Similarly, when people at Google talk to reporters about what AlphaGo does, they probably say “intuition” a lot [I don’t know] because what else can you say to a reporter that doesn’t know calculus?

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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          I think intellectual honesty would compel Google to issue a statement saying “this has nothing whatsoever to do with intuition,” but ymmv

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        3. Rajeev Ramachandran‏ @waltzingmonkey 13 Dec 2017
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          Can you point me to some resources which describe this in more detail? I've read Hubert Dreyfus, so I don't believe expect general intelligence, but AlphaGo still is a breakthrough in self-teaching programs?

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