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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      42.73. (I don’t know what you are asking?)

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    2. Shea Levy‏ @shlevy 13 Dec 2017
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      Was AlphaGo's success solely a function of compute resources/time or were those resources used especially well?

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Isn’t the supposedly exciting thing about AlphaZero (and, to a lesser extent AlphaGo) that they *don’t* rely on human cleverness?

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    4. Shea Levy‏ @shlevy 13 Dec 2017
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      No one's expecting cleverness to be unnecessary to *build* the thing...

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      If AlphaGo were presented as an incremental engineering result in function approximation methods, no one would have been interested. The hype is that it’s a breakthrough in modeling human intuition.

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    6. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 13 Dec 2017
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      you don't think anyone would have been interested in a computer program that could beat the best human go players???

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      My expectation is that, without a massive disinformational PR campaign, the public would not have considered that at all interesting.

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    8. We're A Plague Ship Not A Coffin‏ @TristanSevers 13 Dec 2017
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      This is probably true, but mostly because Go-playing is a niche activity that lacks emotional valence to the public. It still would've been exciting to people who play Go.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Oh, definitely. But would Google have spent billions of dollars to entertain people who play go?

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    10. We're A Plague Ship Not A Coffin‏ @TristanSevers 13 Dec 2017
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      Hmm. No, but I think the relevant question is if they would have spent billions of dollars to impress people who did not play Go, but knew that Go was famously a less-solved strategy game than Chess.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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      Famous to whom? A few thousand geeks, I’d guess. A plausible explanation for the PR push is that Google wants to attract the best engineers by seeming to be an exciting place to work. Maybe DeepMind is part of their recruiting budget, in which case, you would be right!

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        2. We're A Plague Ship Not A Coffin‏ @TristanSevers 13 Dec 2017
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          Yeah I think you're majorly underestimating the degree to which the fact set "Go is a harder game than chess, Go players are still reliant on Human Intuition to an unusual degree for a game, nobody has solved Go by computer yet" had permeated STEMmish popular culture.

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        2. Fakey Fakeson‏ @admittedlyhuman 13 Dec 2017
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          I feel like your guess is off by at least two orders of magnitude, possibly three or four.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 13 Dec 2017
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          Hmm… hard to know how we could determine that empirically, without an awful lot of work…

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