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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Jul 2016
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      This is always the problem with explaining things to rationalists: they are super-resistant to admitting their ideas are incoherent.

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Jul 2016
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      First you have to do their work for them by developing a rational reconstruction of their sacred verbiage, and THEN point out why it’s wrong

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    3. Fate Of Twist‏ @FateOfTwist_ 18 Jul 2016
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      Here's my attempt at EY's map/territory: (1/n) In your brain, there is a representation of reality/you environment

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    4. Fate Of Twist‏ @FateOfTwist_ 18 Jul 2016
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      This representation is different from the environment itself. Since you don't actually in some sense have reality in your head,

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    5. Fate Of Twist‏ @FateOfTwist_ 18 Jul 2016
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      the map is the only thing you have conscious access too. What you feel as "the algorithm feels on the inside" is the map

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Jul 2016
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      Yes… this is roughly what I also think he was trying to say. (Because it’s the standard view of rationalists.)

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Jul 2016
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      What I want is to find a clear, concise explanation, so I can explain why it’s wrong, and the nearby view that is right.

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    8. Fate Of Twist‏ @FateOfTwist_ 18 Jul 2016
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      yeah, I just realized that what I said was a bit muddy, but I think that I have a relatively clear one? Give me a moment

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 18 Jul 2016
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      I do actually understand that view, thanks! It’s just that I can’t find a standard text that’s recent and clear.

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    10. Content of Media‏ @ContentOfMedia 19 Jul 2016
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      Ironically, there's a pretty clear expansion of this in the Principia Discordia, but no one gets points there.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Jul 2016
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      makes sense since Korzybski was a major influence. Which bit is it?

      7:39 AM - 19 Jul 2016
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        2. Content of Media‏ @ContentOfMedia 19 Jul 2016
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          http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/56.php  (Page 49/50, and also (sort of) on 54.)

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Jul 2016
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          Thanks! This is really good, but fwiw it doesn’t seem to me to be about map vs territory.

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        2. Rory‏ @scedastic 19 Jul 2016
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          Have you read van Fraassen? Talks of models/maps 'saving phenomena', but denies isomorphism.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 19 Jul 2016
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          Thanks, no, had never heard of him! Have opened several relevant browser tabs :-)

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