"You've got to do Ngondro before you can do Dzogchen!" Dzogchen dates back to 8th century. Ngondro was invented in the 16th century.
@Shibumizo If you can point me to historical sources, would greatly appreciate!
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@Meaningness Here's some of what Dzogchen Ponlop says about that: https://books.google.com/books?id=yBKHSacHFg4C&pg=PA255&lpg=PA255&dq=Wangchuck+Dorje+(1560-1603)+Ngondro&source=bl&ots=HsNrcxWpiA&sig=94yTIELQftW8V3eK73kSPtJF64U&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDIQ6AEwA2oVChMI7MjbkcK7yAIVEzGICh3v4Qby#v=onepage&q=Wangchuck%20Dorje%20(1560-1603)%20Ngondro&f=false … -
@Shibumizo Thank you! That’s extremely helpful!
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@Meaningness Also, though I mostly find ryderjaphy a blustering old fool, his posts on Ngondro are interesting: https://tinfoilushnisha.wordpress.com/tag/wangchuck-dorje/ …Thanks. Twitter will use this to make your timeline better. UndoUndo
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