I hoped that after taking a week off from the “ethics in mindfulness meditation” debate, it would all make sense. pic.twitter.com/YZpCTM2XQ8
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I hoped that after taking a week off from the “ethics in mindfulness meditation” debate, it would all make sense. pic.twitter.com/YZpCTM2XQ8
@Meaningness The primary importance of all systems of ethics is as a point of leverage to enforce group norms.
@Jayarava Yes… In the case of “Consensus Buddhism,” the norms are mainstream American leftish norms. This gets called “Buddhist ethics…”
@Jayarava I don’t have much quarrel with the norms, but the pretense that they are Buddhist rubs me the wrong way.
@Meaningness well... Buddhist ethics *do* have a definite content - e.g. pañcasīla, dasakusalakammapatha etc.
@Meaningness The main rationale of Buddhist ethics is to obtain a better rebirth. That is at the forefront especially for laypeople.
@Meaningness For full-time meditators it helps to make the mind amenable to concentrated states, culminating in the experience of cessation.
@Jayarava Yes… so, in many contexts, “sila” is better translated “pre-meditative practice discipline” than ethics.
@Meaningness you may have seen me distinguish between sīla (ethics) and saṃvara (discipline) recently? Quite different.
@Meaningness It's in this one: http://jayarava.blogspot.co.uk/2015/08/having-seen-form-with-eye.html …
@Jayarava Thanks, yes, I remember now and have re-read. Comports with my general understanding (but not with that of most American Buddhists
@Meaningness It's an ideal, though, conveyed in myth and legend. It's not clear that *anyone* did or does it. Buddhists hate this :-)
@Jayarava Yeah, I take to be normative intellectual speculation much stuff that Buddhists want to believe are descriptive practice manuals
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