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David Chapman

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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev His thesis 3, first para, rejects folk (“undergraduate”) theory of existence, which is that it is an overloaded/polysemic concept.

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    2. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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      @Meaningness My reaction to 3.1 was something like 'you just confused a quotient construction with the underlying object, wat'

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev [Brain: swap swap swap… quotient… quotient… oh here we are] Yeah, nice analogy. [Had to pull that off of mag tape.]

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    4. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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      @Meaningness OK, on rereading 3.1 and thinking about it, I feel comfortable dismissing the entire paper vigorously now.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev The idea that you can count ideas is absurd, though, and ought to have made him reconsider.

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    6. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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      @Meaningness You can list every idea that can be expressed in a given language, but not in a helpful way, & list won't be finite.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev Except ideas don’t correspond to sentences. How many ideas are in his para 3.1? Which are they? No two readers would agree.

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    8. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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      @Meaningness That's why I said 'can be expressed'. Could perhaps argue that expressible ideas are dense in the set of ideas, like Q in R.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev Maybe… experience has been that actually trying to turn English into FOPC fails for anything non-trivial. Even for math papers.

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    10. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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      @Meaningness Fails in any practical way, anyway. But I'm just thinking of literally counting possible ordinary-language arguments.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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      @St_Rev Yeah but two different sentences can express “the same idea”; but people won’t agree on how similar they have to be to count as same

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        2. St. Rev  ☯️ 🏴 😻‏ @St_Rev 25 May 2013
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          @Meaningness Yeah, there isn't a well-defined version of convergence & equivalence. But to me that says 'same idea' isn't fully meaningful.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness 25 May 2013
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          @St_Rev Precisely! Which is why you can’t count them. So his saying “to say ideas exist is to say that the number of ideas > 0” is wrong.

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