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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 16
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    Is most of what you do fake, like aikido is a fake martial art? Or real for you, given a fake context and incentives? Or is the context a real response to a larger fake structure? Is it mock turtles all the way down? Or layers of contrasting realities?https://carcinisation.com/2020/05/14/fake-martial-arts-a-disorientation/ …

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      1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 16
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        That’s by @literalbanana btw

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      1. Vinay Gupta‏ @leashless May 16
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        Aikido is an interesting one. It made no sense to me at all (and my tai chi teacher was... scathing) until I realized that they're both wearing armor, and only one of them has a sword. Then it all makes sense. But, erm, yes. Exactly what you are saying. Yes.

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      2. Cleo Goldencross‏ @CleoGoldencross May 16
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        Interesting read. I come away thinking there’s not necessarily such a thing as fake martial arts, rather those who are trying to define some fleeting idea of what may be considered real.

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      3. Szymon Majewski‏ @brewingsense May 16
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        I think the central issue is not fakeness, it's self-deception. There is nothing wrong with practicing a martial art that is only effective in some specific context, as long as one understands it's limitations and context-sensitivity. Same for some fake epistemic arts ...

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      2. Y.K. Goon‏ @ykgoon May 16
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        'Fake' is too strong a word; I prefer context-sensitive. I know it's not the point but with Wing Chun the context is a very very specific distance between opponents, outside of which it's rendered useless.

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      3. Somatic Historian‏ @ScottParkCO May 16
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        Wing Chun was an imitation of Hakka shadow puppet fighting. In context it is very beautiful. https://amzn.to/3cPqbDC 

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      1. Ivo Wever‏ @Confusionist May 16
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        Something can be shockingly exposed as fake if you mistake it for real. Very little can be fake when you believe you are playing a largely arbitrary game. The shocking/exciting thing is when you find something that actually seems real.

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      2. wily mandala‏ @babarganesh May 16
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        Yes, most of it is fake. Most of what I do has to do with success in imaginary situations that are unlikely. At some times there is just preparation for the sake of being “ready” or “available”. If I gave up preparing to be ready or available I would feel I was giving 1/2

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      3. wily mandala‏ @babarganesh May 16
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        Up on life itself. But that cannot be true. There must be a koan in it. There is no ready and no prepare.

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      1. Somatic Historian‏ @ScottParkCO May 16
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        The term fake "Xu" 虛 in Chinese (Japanese also uses the character) also means "Empty." It is primarily a religious-aesthetic term. The goal of religious oriented martial arts is to make real become fake, and fake become real. https://amzn.to/364xg0N 

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