I agree with this re the Critical Rationalist community (with one exception who I hope knows I am subtweeting her) but am too polite to say so :) “How do I avoid starting a cult” is something I occasionally worry about but it doesn’t seem imminent yet
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I recall Eliezer on one occasion noting that "if you tell your followers not to form a cult, they will go around saying 'We must not form a cult, Great Leader Mundo said so'."
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Cults are naturally emergent phenomena… some are deliberately produced by leaders, but many/most are produced by followers :(
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Mmm, not sure. Follower effect is massive and necessary, but for coercive cults (culty dynamics that hurt people's self-esteem/security), don't they need to have some some kind of authoritarianism somewhere (even if that's just around the guru's own internal conflicts/hangups)?
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Yes; my impression is that the emergent dynamics hook the leader dude into the role (if he wasn’t already wanting it and if he’s not too resistant). Lots of people want to sub.
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Jake Orthwein Retweeted Anna Gát
Jake Orthwein added,
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Replying to @JakeOrthwein @Meaningness and
Reminds me of siderea's analysis of kingship in Watership Down ( https://siderea.livejournal.com/1212245.html ; https://siderea.livejournal.com/1212664.html )pic.twitter.com/EpRqT2k6x1
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This is very good, thank you! When I read the excerpts you posted, I thought “this sounds like the Jungian archetype,” and I wasn’t wrong :) I’ve promised to write about this topic on EVERY ONE of my sites, and not delivered. Except this brief piece:https://approachingaro.org/nobility
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I explicitly failed on Vividness; it’s supposed to be a major topic in The Vetali’s Gift, & meaningness It’s a tough subject, I don’t feel I understand it well enough from personal experience, and I have a conflicted relationship with Jung. Maybe before I die I’ll get to it…pic.twitter.com/YX8wim12Kk
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