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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket and

      If not too socially awkward, do you have a sense of where LW’ers get stuck on real-world problems? Speaking extremely generally, where “they” are not “rigid” (to my mind) their Qs & As for many real-world topics seem very good. “Explicit abstract contradictions” seems wrong crit.

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    2. sonya! supposedly?‏ @sonyasupposedly May 6
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @Meaningness and

      in my view, the rationalist failure case is the failure case of the vast majority of philosophy: optimizing for abstract rectitude rather than empirical ROI

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    3. Arbutus Tree‏ @aphercotropist May 6
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      Replying to @sonyasupposedly @meditationstuff and

      There's a lot more than that. Rationalists don't do their due diligence when criticising other philosophy (see eg this: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/qmqLxvtsPzZ2s6mpY/a-priori …) or otherwise understanding the literature, they are very unrigorous and handwavy (see the same post)

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    4. Arbutus Tree‏ @aphercotropist May 6
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      Replying to @aphercotropist @sonyasupposedly and

      On top of that, there are a lot of philosophers that deal with really detailed real-world case studies. Many philosophers of science for example get very in depth into the history and methodology of the specific sciences they're investigating. Something LW really fails at.

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @aphercotropist @sonyasupposedly and

      Yes; but they were 22 and so they hadn’t had time to learn anything besides undergrad physics yet

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @aphercotropist and

      So they thought everything worked like undergrad physics. Kinda dumb but we were all young once

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    7. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @aphercotropist and

      I still have concerns about gatekeeping, unevenly applies standards, or dismissal based in part on some non-standard usage of terms. The project might not have been an ivory-tower project, if that makes sense. But possibly used as straw target for academic in-group signaling.

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    8. sonya! supposedly?‏ @sonyasupposedly May 6
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @Meaningness and

      I for one could not give less of a shit about rats reinventing old philosophy without sufficient genuflection to the ancestors or whatever. I'm just frustrated that all most rats want to do is sit around and talk about stuff at great length (which, in retrospect, duh)

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @sonyasupposedly @meditationstuff and

      Philosophy is comprehensively bunk. The value in studying it is that if you don’t, and if you think about abstract stuff, you inevitably reinvent it. Fortunately, for every attractive philosophical idea, someone has already done the work of figuring out why it’s wrong

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    10. jeremy‏ @lifeneoned May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @sonyasupposedly and

      I want to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I suspect that you - like many other rationalists - don't have enough engagement with philosophy to unequivocally call it all bunk - often this is unknowingly engaging w/ philosophy. Meaningness is great but it IS philosophy.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @lifeneoned @sonyasupposedly and

      “Philosophy” is not a well defined term, ofc, so whether or not something counts depends on context and purposes. Calling my stuff not-philosophy, even though it overlaps in topics, serves specific well-thought-out purposes (imo)

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      • Abeoma R.P. yes sonya! supposedly? jeremy Mark (🧘🧪🧙‍♂️💩❤️)
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        2. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein May 6
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          Replying to @Meaningness @lifeneoned and

          I sort of think of Meaningness as being meta to philosophy in the same way that meditation is meta to the contents of thought. Saying it's not philosophy is like saying meditation is not thinking. The object-level philosophy is invoked to explain meta-level pattern and nebulosity

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        3. Rival Voices ❁‏ @nosilverv May 6
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          Replying to @JakeOrthwein @Meaningness and

          Gonna side with my boy Jeremy here, for any folk understanding of philosophy (the study of general and fundamental questions about existence, knowledge, values, reason, mind, and language - straight from wikipedia), meaningness (discourse on meaning) def. seems to fall under it

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        2. jeremy‏ @lifeneoned May 6
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          Replying to @Meaningness @sonyasupposedly and

          Sure. But I think rejecting all of philosophy as 'bunk' is clearly wrong, unnecessary, over-arrogant

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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          Replying to @lifeneoned @sonyasupposedly and

          I think you are mistaking my illocutionary intent here. It is not to make a fact claim but to redirect cognitive attention.

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