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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin May 6
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      this is interesting, but does one need to have an account of how exactly representation works in order to say "the map is not the territory" (i.e. particular representations can fail to be useful or accurate)?

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    2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @s_r_constantin @drossbucket and

      The problem is that the map metaphor is (deliberately?) misleading when taken as a prototype for representation in general. The ways that maps fail are dissimilar to, and much simpler than, the ways most other representations fail (when they do).

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    3. Sarah Constantin‏ @s_r_constantin May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket and

      oh? how does that work? a LITERAL map fails if it's missing a feature you care about, or if you can't figure out how to read it in time to get where you're going, or...i'm blanking on other reasons

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    4. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein May 6
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      Replying to @s_r_constantin @Meaningness and

      Jake Orthwein Retweeted David Chapman

      From elsewhere in this enormous thread: https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/997973314415968257?s=20 …https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/997973884606410752?s=20 …

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      David Chapman @Meaningness
      Replying to @Meaningness @garybasin and 2 others
      And here’s some more. After writing this, I felt like it was all obvious and I wasn’t saying anything much. Maybe this isn’t obvious to everyone? If not, is this a good way of talking about it? pic.twitter.com/7xTzWVrbYE
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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @s_r_constantin and

      Thanks for retrieving that! Here’s some others. I keep finding more, as I mentioned upthread, which is part of why this thing seems to be unfinishable.pic.twitter.com/CKymambrru

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    6. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      I’m not sure any of these criticisms about maps land. How about “spaces” instead of “maps”? Plus no assumption of metrics, dimensions... It’s not like he meant 2D (paper) maps...

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      “Spaces” is a different metaphor, with a different set of implicit thought-patterns, e.g. axes. Trying to make a theory of representation starting from that metaphor will lead you in a quite different direction and you’ll end up with some PCA story or something.

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    8. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      But it’s not clear LW’ers are subject to the pitfalls of these metaphors (excepting only where do ontology or axes come from, which to be fair is a very big gap).

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      Well, it seems that the view of outsiders is exactly that LWers are extensively confused for specifically this reason. That is, taking for granted that you can make a correspondence between a theory and reality whose only defect could be false statements, not that it the terms >

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and

      it uses don’t straightforwardly reflect hard-edged real-world phenomena.

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 6
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      Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and

      pic.twitter.com/qPMfAMqym4

      11:48 AM - 6 May 2020
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