this is interesting, but does one need to have an account of how exactly representation works in order to say "the map is not the territory" (i.e. particular representations can fail to be useful or accurate)?
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @drossbucket and
The problem is that the map metaphor is (deliberately?) misleading when taken as a prototype for representation in general. The ways that maps fail are dissimilar to, and much simpler than, the ways most other representations fail (when they do).
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Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket and
oh? how does that work? a LITERAL map fails if it's missing a feature you care about, or if you can't figure out how to read it in time to get where you're going, or...i'm blanking on other reasons
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Replying to @s_r_constantin @Meaningness and
Jake Orthwein Retweeted David Chapman
From elsewhere in this enormous thread: https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/997973314415968257?s=20 …https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/997973884606410752?s=20 …
Jake Orthwein added,
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Replying to @JakeOrthwein @s_r_constantin and
Thanks for retrieving that! Here’s some others. I keep finding more, as I mentioned upthread, which is part of why this thing seems to be unfinishable.pic.twitter.com/CKymambrru
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Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and
I’m not sure any of these criticisms about maps land. How about “spaces” instead of “maps”? Plus no assumption of metrics, dimensions... It’s not like he meant 2D (paper) maps...
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Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and
“Spaces” is a different metaphor, with a different set of implicit thought-patterns, e.g. axes. Trying to make a theory of representation starting from that metaphor will lead you in a quite different direction and you’ll end up with some PCA story or something.
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Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and
But it’s not clear LW’ers are subject to the pitfalls of these metaphors (excepting only where do ontology or axes come from, which to be fair is a very big gap).
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Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and
Well, it seems that the view of outsiders is exactly that LWers are extensively confused for specifically this reason. That is, taking for granted that you can make a correspondence between a theory and reality whose only defect could be false statements, not that it the terms >
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Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and
it uses don’t straightforwardly reflect hard-edged real-world phenomena.
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