That's very true. But, if there's a landscape, and there's salient things in a landscape, and they're somewhat spaced apart. One can point, and even if the pointing is vague, people often look in the direction of finger and get same referent.
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Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and
Ah, yes, same metaphor I was using! So, my vague feeling is that the landscape is less distinct than it seems you take it to be. I am quite unsure about this, though.
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Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and
Somewhat tangentially, I’ve been working on-and-off on a post that says “I don’t understand the map-vs-territory distinction” for about five years now. I’ve failed to finish it because I don’t even understand what I don’t understand… It’s been “nearly done” that whole time tho
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Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and
It seems like some people seemingly intuitively understand it (e.g. LessWrong, general semantics) and some people seemingly understand it but think it's contradictory
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Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and
Well fwiw the point of the essay is that the LW take is seriously misleading and close to the root of how they misunderstand everything.
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Replying to @utotranslucence @meditationstuff and
It’s closer to the front of the queue than most of the 475258 unfinished bits! Tx for feedback; helps me prioy
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
I'm some combination of another '+1 would read this post' and 'oh god I wasted so much time trying to understand what LW meant by that 3 years ago and never want to think about it again, but would still read this post' :)
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Replying to @drossbucket @utotranslucence and
Our intermittent emails about it have been very helpful or very unhelpful depending partly on whether I ever finish it
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
Oh good, I'm glad they were at least potentially helpful and not me just ranting on! I never got to any useful understanding myself, and I haven't looked at my horrible draft in a while.
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before today, I most recently looked at my horrible draft a month ago and said “I should just finish this thing, it’s nearly done” and put another two or three days work into it, and realized it’s not nearly done.
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Replying to @Meaningness @drossbucket and
It’s Yet Another Way Of Explaining The Whole Thing From A Different Angle, so limiting scope is difficult If you take on board that maps don’t work like that, and nothing else does either, then you have to throw away the whole mainstream philosophical tradition
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
OK yeah I really do want to read this!! But can also see how hard it's going to be to split that out from approximately 1000 of the other interconnected things you talk about
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