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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      mm, not so much… I haven’t tried to clarify this because afaict “emptiness” is somewhat a “floating signifier” in Buddhism; different people use it to mean different things, none of which are clearly defined. “Nebulosity” is also not clearly defined, so… https://meaningness.com/terminology/emptiness-form-nebulosity-pattern …pic.twitter.com/vuimwgG9hM

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    2. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      I want to gently push back on the emptiness thing. I'll be just another voice in the cacophony, but it seems like you take a very scholarly approach to emptiness (which is excellent and critically valuable) but what about the direct experience part?

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    3. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @Meaningness and

      Agreed that there are exoteric and esoteric usages of the term, and dharma battles, and scholarly debates. But, I'll personally bite "emptiness is a phenomenological referential quality that confers immediate knowledge of something like 'that seeming territory is actually map'"

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      Well… most of the words in that are not used in any traditional explanation. They don’t unambiguously correspond to any traditional vocabulary, afaik? So what you are describing might be a thing, which might or might not be the same as some version of “emptiness”?

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    5. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      That's very true. But, if there's a landscape, and there's salient things in a landscape, and they're somewhat spaced apart. One can point, and even if the pointing is vague, people often look in the direction of finger and get same referent.

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      Ah, yes, same metaphor I was using! So, my vague feeling is that the landscape is less distinct than it seems you take it to be. I am quite unsure about this, though.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and

      Somewhat tangentially, I’ve been working on-and-off on a post that says “I don’t understand the map-vs-territory distinction” for about five years now. I’ve failed to finish it because I don’t even understand what I don’t understand… It’s been “nearly done” that whole time tho

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    8. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      It seems like some people seemingly intuitively understand it (e.g. LessWrong, general semantics) and some people seemingly understand it but think it's contradictory @aphercotropist.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      Well fwiw the point of the essay is that the LW take is seriously misleading and close to the root of how they misunderstand everything.

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    10. Ḟreyjạ‏ @utotranslucence May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and

      +1 would read this post

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Replying to @utotranslucence @meditationstuff and

      It’s closer to the front of the queue than most of the 475258 unfinished bits! Tx for feedback; helps me prioy

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        2. Lucy Keer‏ @drossbucket May 5
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          Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and

          I'm some combination of another '+1 would read this post' and 'oh god I wasted so much time trying to understand what LW meant by that 3 years ago and never want to think about it again, but would still read this post' :)

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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          Replying to @drossbucket @utotranslucence and

          Our intermittent emails about it have been very helpful or very unhelpful depending partly on whether I ever finish it

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        1. John Nerst‏ @everytstudies May 6
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          Triggered.

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