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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 4
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      y

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    2. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      another one if in the mood: in your terms, emptiness is distinct and prior to nebulosity; nebulosity has a bit more of conceptual flavor, but they are close; y/n?

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    3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      mm, not so much… I haven’t tried to clarify this because afaict “emptiness” is somewhat a “floating signifier” in Buddhism; different people use it to mean different things, none of which are clearly defined. “Nebulosity” is also not clearly defined, so… https://meaningness.com/terminology/emptiness-form-nebulosity-pattern …pic.twitter.com/vuimwgG9hM

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    4. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      I want to gently push back on the emptiness thing. I'll be just another voice in the cacophony, but it seems like you take a very scholarly approach to emptiness (which is excellent and critically valuable) but what about the direct experience part?

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    5. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Agreed that there are exoteric and esoteric usages of the term, and dharma battles, and scholarly debates. But, I'll personally bite "emptiness is a phenomenological referential quality that confers immediate knowledge of something like 'that seeming territory is actually map'"

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Well… most of the words in that are not used in any traditional explanation. They don’t unambiguously correspond to any traditional vocabulary, afaik? So what you are describing might be a thing, which might or might not be the same as some version of “emptiness”?

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    7. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      That's very true. But, if there's a landscape, and there's salient things in a landscape, and they're somewhat spaced apart. One can point, and even if the pointing is vague, people often look in the direction of finger and get same referent.

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Ah, yes, same metaphor I was using! So, my vague feeling is that the landscape is less distinct than it seems you take it to be. I am quite unsure about this, though.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      Somewhat tangentially, I’ve been working on-and-off on a post that says “I don’t understand the map-vs-territory distinction” for about five years now. I’ve failed to finish it because I don’t even understand what I don’t understand… It’s been “nearly done” that whole time tho

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    10. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein May 5
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      FWIW, this is the same place @nosilverv and I came around to re: Mark saying emptiness is realizing part of map=territory. I think the confusion is because map and territory retains a kind of noumenal/phenomenal distinction that the interaction view dispenses with.pic.twitter.com/LtL3RoGyrH

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      “retains a kind of noumenal/phenomenal distinction that the interaction view dispenses with”: yes, that!

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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          But also if you take the map metaphor seriously, and look at how real maps are used in practice, they are a highly atypical form of representation, and taking them as the prototype for representation in general is broadly misleading in several specific ways.

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        3. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein May 5
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          Right. Because the “prototypical map” would be something more like an affordance or an internalized pattern of interaction?

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