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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Malcolm  🌎cean‏ @Malcolm_Ocean 16 Mar 2019
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      I don't see a disagreement here! My explicit knowledge of both philosophies is a bit past "I've read Beginning of Infinity and Meaningness". Possible I'm misunderstanding either here. Also possible I'm using them both fluidly in such a way that they don't FEEL they disagree 😉🙃

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    2. Jed‏ @mindmeanings 27 Oct 2019
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      Interesting! Think it does part with critical rationalism, e.g. embracing paradox with different models in tension versus the notion each model is solving a different problem (crit rat). The philosophical implications are quite different. Contrast McGilchrist & Deutch excerpts:pic.twitter.com/jwsKncb2Tu

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    3. Jed‏ @mindmeanings 27 Oct 2019
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      Replying to @mindmeanings @Malcolm_Ocean and

      And McGilchrist elegantly describes the unspoken phenomenological encounter (being). Deutch would agree that we don’t have the words to capture the experience (inexplicit knowledge), but imagines one day we will, through conjecture & refutation leading to objective progress

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    4. Jed‏ @mindmeanings 28 Oct 2019
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      Whereas McGilchrist views attempting to quantify our encounters via explicit concepts, detracts from the quality of the experience (over-relying on the left hemisphere).

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    5. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun 28 Oct 2019
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      Both can happen. The way culture is currently set up, trying to rationalise inexplicit stuff does typically suppress parts of it. Crucially, in Deutsch's view—cf. other rationalists—these two sides are *equal* (should be listened to as equal, full participants). Suppression bad.

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    6. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein May 3
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      But in the Deutschian view, the inexplicit and nebulous can in principle be made explicit and precise. In the McGilchrist view, this can’t be done without loss of meaning. Fallibilism doesn’t get you irreducible nebulosity.

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 4
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @reasonisfun and

      (I don’t know about CRs specifically but) this distinction between ontological nebulosity and epistemic uncertainty is the central thing rationalists (other brands at least) don’t understand (and often seem to actively resist understanding for emotional safety reasons)

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    8. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 4
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      in your terms, ontological nebulosity is distinct and prior to epistemic uncertainty; y/n?

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 4
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      Replying to @meditationstuff @JakeOrthwein and

      y

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    10. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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      Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

      another one if in the mood: in your terms, emptiness is distinct and prior to nebulosity; nebulosity has a bit more of conceptual flavor, but they are close; y/n?

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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      mm, not so much… I haven’t tried to clarify this because afaict “emptiness” is somewhat a “floating signifier” in Buddhism; different people use it to mean different things, none of which are clearly defined. “Nebulosity” is also not clearly defined, so… https://meaningness.com/terminology/emptiness-form-nebulosity-pattern …pic.twitter.com/vuimwgG9hM

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        2. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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          I want to gently push back on the emptiness thing. I'll be just another voice in the cacophony, but it seems like you take a very scholarly approach to emptiness (which is excellent and critically valuable) but what about the direct experience part?

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        3. Mark ( 🧘 🧪 🧙‍♂️ 💩 ❤️)‏ @meditationstuff May 5
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          Replying to @meditationstuff @Meaningness and

          Agreed that there are exoteric and esoteric usages of the term, and dharma battles, and scholarly debates. But, I'll personally bite "emptiness is a phenomenological referential quality that confers immediate knowledge of something like 'that seeming territory is actually map'"

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        2. mtraven‏ @mtraven May 5
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          Replying to @Meaningness @meditationstuff and

          I've been running into this problem...it seems as if "emptiness" is an illustration of what it is talking about, and a precise definition of it would be missing the point somehow.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness May 5
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          Replying to @mtraven @meditationstuff and

          That has not stopped 2000 years of logic-chopping academic arguments :)

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