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    1. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ Apr 12
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      Replying to @SarahAMcManus @chagmed and

      The four naljors you have there (shi-ne, lhatong etc) are ngöndro. Lhundrup in that schema is the state of Rigpa in activity - that is the practice/state of Dzogchen Sem-dé itself.

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    2. Charlie Awbery‏ @_awbery_ Apr 12
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      Replying to @_awbery_ @SarahAMcManus and

      But the first three are preparatory for Dzogchen. Their results are the Ting-ngé-dzin (Tib translation of Samadhi) which are in Dzogchen Sem-dé.

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    3. Chagmé‏ @chagmed Apr 12
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      Replying to @_awbery_ @SarahAMcManus and

      interesting. Chagmé Rinpoche taught me in a system that doesn't include sems de or klong de.

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 12
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      Replying to @chagmed @_awbery_ and

      Semde and longde were almost entirely displaced by menngakde (for interesting historical reasons partly explained in David Germano’s Funerary Transformation paper). They persisted only in a handful of minor lineages.

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    5. Malcolm  🌎cean‏ @Malcolm_Ocean Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @chagmed and

      Huh, so that seems like it might mean that the dzogchen line of the diagram above would only be accurate for... Aro? Nyingma? Wondering what the others would look like...

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean @chagmed and

      That line expresses the correspondences of the phases of the four naljors semde ngondro with other yanas. That ngondro is not, itself, Dzogchen. And, the phases only correspond with the other yanas in a functional, metaphorical sense (that shine’s result is emptiness, etc).

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

      Semde, longde, and menngakde are not sequential; they are different approaches within the Dzogchen. They have the same base and the same result. (More-or-less; some pedantic scholars might quibble about this.)

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    8. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

      Dzogchen overall begins where tantra ends, namely nonduality. So the diagram of lines is accurate except that the naljor is not actually Dzogchen, and that the dé are not sequential.

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

      Dzogchen is taught mainly by the Nyingma, but not exclusively so. The Drukpa branch of the Kagyud School is noted for teaching Dzogchen, for example. So was the Great Fifth Dalai Lama, of the Gelug School, and the current Fourteenth DL has revived that tradition.

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    10. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

      Dzogchen is a yana; Nyingma is a sect. Post below explains the difference. The Nyingma lineages teach all the yanas, not just Dzogchen. In fact, Dzogchen was a rare teaching in the Nyingma in pre-modern times.https://vividness.live/2013/11/25/yanas-are-not-buddhist-sects/ …

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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      Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

      More accurately I should say that “Nyingma” designates a heterogeneous group of sects. The word just means “old.” The Nyingma sects are all those that trace their lineages back before the advent of the Sarma (“New”) sects around 1050. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nyingma#Second_dissemination_and_New_translations …

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        2. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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          Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

          Dzogchen was considered the distinctive teaching of the Nyingma largely because the Sarma Schools mainly rejected it. (With exceptions as noted.) They rejected it because it calls the bluff on the contradiction between emptiness and religious norms:https://vividness.live/2015/11/27/emptiness-form-and-dzogchen-ethics/ …

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Apr 13
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          Replying to @Meaningness @Malcolm_Ocean and

          That made it politically explosive, so in practice Dzogchen was taught to a tiny elite only. The Nyingma lineages, like the Sarma, taught conventional morality, and the lower yanas, to nearly everyone. The Dzogchen texts and doctrines were kept mainly secret.

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