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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    1. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 24
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      Lulie Retweeted Mason  💦 👏 &  🏃‍♂️ ✂️

      Meditation gone wronghttps://twitter.com/webdevMason/status/1242491649197891584 …

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      Mason  💦 👏 &  🏃‍♂️ ✂️ @webdevMason
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      So if you force yourself to "sit with" a "flee this" signal, you're not actually accepting your feelings at all.
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    2. Paul‏ @univ_explainer Mar 24
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      I wonder how many people meditate this way for hundreds of hours and later regret it. I did. Unfortunately this form of meditation seems to be spreading. A lot of people are aiming for equanimity and ending up with apathy.

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    3. Lulie‏ @reasonisfun Mar 24
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      (Sorry to hear that!) Are there names for the different kinds of meditation which separate out this dissociated kind? Or is it more about how a teacher leads it? Any recommendations for better/worse kinds of meditation?

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    4. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      I’ve been ranting about this for years. The goal of mainstream Buddhism (“Sutrayana”) is not easily distinguishable from deep depression. The methods were designed to induce that state. This is not what most contemporary people want. I think this has been something of a disaster

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    5. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      Replying to @Meaningness @reasonisfun @univ_explainer

      Several of my relevant posts are linked in this section (“Tantra and Sutra”):https://vividness.live/2019/04/24/reinventing-buddhist-tantra-annotated-table-of-contents/#Sutrayana …

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    6. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      My spouse @_awbery_ has written about this with more specific reference to meditation methods, e.g. in these posts: https://vajrayananow.com/2019/04/10/not-all-buddhism-is-about-liberation-from-suffering/ … https://vajrayananow.com/2019/04/06/the-limited%E2%80%8B-language-of-the-no-self/ … https://vajrayananow.com/2019/04/19/the-structure-of-buddhism/ …https://vajrayananow.com/2019/04/15/living-contradictions/ …

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    7. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      Replying to @Meaningness @reasonisfun and

      The meditation methods that are mainly taught now derive from one invented a hundred years ago by Mahasi Sayadaw, who was an extreme ascetic. The fact that he designed it to induce something close to catatonic apathy has been systematically obscured.https://vividness.live/2011/07/07/theravada-reinvents-meditation/ …

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    8. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 24
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      Replying to @Meaningness @reasonisfun and

      My experience here (among Western vipassana teachers) is that it's very (maybe too) dependent on language and subtleties of instruction. It seems at least possible to teach Vipassana in a way that doesn't encourage catatonia, if "empty" is not made synonymous with "meaningless."

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    9. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @reasonisfun and

      Yes that’s been the pattern for decades. The problem is that the underlying method points in the wrong direction. Modifications and sugar coating apparently make it work ok for many (most?) people, but there are enough whom it fucks up to take the warnings seriously.

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    10. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 24
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      Replying to @Meaningness @reasonisfun and

      Is the fatal flaw in your view that Vipassana is purely deconstructive? That it's intended to culminate in cessation? To hear Shinzen describe it here (https://deconstructingyourself.com/dy-004-feather-light-paper-thin-guest-shinzen-young.html …), emptiness can be seen as micro-cessation (though now I'm well out of my depth!).

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      David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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      Replying to @JakeOrthwein @reasonisfun and

      Yes, exactly that. This is entirely explicit. Shinzen mixes in Shingon, which is tantric, so he can point the way beyond the deconstruction. Most vipassana/mindfulness teachers don’t even understand THAT it’s deconstructive, much less how you put things back together afterwards.

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        2. Jake Orthwein‏ @JakeOrthwein Mar 24
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          Replying to @Meaningness @reasonisfun and

          Ok so when Heidegger (via Vervaeke) talks about the simultaneous shining and withdrawal of things, is this roughly = micro-cessations? And Vipassana shows how framing "conceals" but not how "disclosure" and "concealment" interafford each other?https://youtu.be/qrkqopjEceU?t=1719 …

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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          I want to say yes, and I think this is importantly right at some level! OTOH, it’s difficult and perhaps misleading to bring Heidegger and Buddhism into registration with each other because they are so different.

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        2. Kingnine, but my friends call me Matt‏ @Buddh_ish Mar 24
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          Replying to @Meaningness @JakeOrthwein and

          FWIW, a lot of the language Shinzen uses to describe what’s out the other side of emptiness tends to be from Zen rather than Shingon, which is less explicit but def still there.

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        3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 24
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          David Chapman Retweeted David Chapman

          yes… cf this tweet and the post it links:https://twitter.com/Meaningness/status/1242588873395298304 …

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          On the third hand, Heidegger was extensively in dialog with the Kyoto School of modernist Zen thought, and significantly influenced by them (to quite what extent remains controversial). Zen is one of few Buddhist approaches that includes reconstruction: https://vividness.live/2013/12/12/emptiness-zen-tantra-dzogchen/ …
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