I don't think so? I haven't read Laheys Guide to Subject-Object Interpretation but according to @Meaningness they specifically call out variance in level due to stress as a factor in shifting level.
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @GregDember and
I will say that for the type of question that Kegan was asking in "In over our heads" - looking at what societal shocks we can handle, his measure makes the most sense
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @GregDember and
If instead we were looking at say, what type of innovation society is capable of, would make more sense to use the measure of "Highest level at which you've had an original thought."
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @ssica3003 and
Sure, but that's not what Kegan is looking at. He's a psychologist; not a sociologist, coach, movement leader, or spiritual teacher.
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Replying to @GregDember @ssica3003 and
The way he's framing is specifically suited to his sociological research agenda. Ultimately Kegan is a human being and is motivated by what interests him.
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @GregDember and
He's also of course a product of incentives in psychology. Saying "well we're pointing at a real thing but there's not a clear way to categorize people" isn't a very publishable or spreadable meme in the psychology institution.
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @GregDember and
And again, it's not a wrong framing! Totally valid to measure stages that way. Ultimately people are shifting stages all the time, due to various factors, along different dimensions. Choosing one way to look at that data isn't wrong.
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @ssica3003 and
Just again -- I don't think he has a *data set* and chooses to represent it by featuring one end of a range. He's measuring a *thing* that is narrower than what others might measure, and designed his assessment tool to get specifically at that narrow thing.
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Replying to @GregDember @ssica3003 and
I agree. It feels like we're saying the same thing to me. Kegan is getting at one specific measure that's useful for him, pointing at a specific thing, and you can take other measures to point at other things.
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Replying to @mattgoldenberg @ssica3003 and
Yes! OK, I think you and I are good with each other here!
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I also feel that I understood something new here; thank you both very much!
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