1/ The biggest update for me from this podcast was learning that Kegan and Lahey use the most difficult times in your life to determine your developmental stage.https://mobile.twitter.com/dthorson/status/1236369814848970753 …
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2/ Awhile ago a stopped viewing it as coherent to view myself as "At a stage", and instead used the stages as a snapshot lens of one way I was viewing the world at any given moment.
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3/ But something that seems to be pretty consistent is that severe stress and triggering will reliably bring about lower levels of consciousness than my average. AFAICT this is pretty common with humans.https://twitter.com/mattgoldenberg/status/1220546877722066946 …
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Matt Goldenberg @mattgoldenbergReplying to @mattgoldenberg @Malcolm_Ocean and 2 othersAnother example: Certain trauma/triggers getting activated will reliably remove my ability to express myself along certain developmental axes. On the flipside, when other factors are present in my life, I reliably gain access to modes of thought I may not normally have.2 replies 1 retweet 6 likesShow this thread -
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4/ So while some developmental theories use "the highest level at which a person has had an original thought," it seems that by choosing these moments of triggering, CDT is implictly using "the lowest level that someone can be reliably triggered in to".https://twitter.com/Malcolm_Ocean/status/1220542677848031238 …
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Malcolm ☣️cean - check sense of smell 👃 — 🌎 🇨🇦 @Malcolm_OceanReplying to @dthorson @mattgoldenbergYeah, the MHC (model of hierarchical complexity) that@HFreinacht talks about explicitly notes that people often think at different levels, and says "level of dev is highest level at which person has ever had an original thought" vs Kegan uses both upper & lower bounds1 reply 1 retweet 5 likesShow this thread -
5/ Which means that for people who do in fact use the ontology of "What level I'm at", I suspect that most people are probably 1-2 levels below what their average experience of themselves as, if using Kegan and Lahey's criteria.
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6/ And the fact that Kegan hasn't found anyone below their 40s who hasn't reached the level where they're in stage 5 at their worst becomes much less surprising.
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That makes a lot of sense, thanks!
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New episode of Emerge with Robert Kegan.
My favorite parts:
- Exploring typical misunderstandings of his developmental model
- How nobody under 40 is Stage 5 (according to his research)
- The most important developmental task for planetary culture