S. T. Suzuki Roshi, maybe? The process of getting to stage 5 is generally awful, and once there it’s a letdown if you were expecting it would solve problems it doesn’t. So, yes…
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Why is it awful?
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Each of the stage transitions requires you to abandon a comfortable, functional way if being that you called “myself” and to accept that you will be confused and lost and dysfunctional and fucking up often for several years as you learn the difficult new way of being.
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Replying to @Meaningness @AtaraxJim and
So..1 story coming out of this synthesis here is that those of us who have given up on rationality being The Way at age 28 have ~12 years ahead of us stuck in the wilderness before we can be...whatever the fuck 5 is :P (Or we're v, v wrong about our relationship to rationality)
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Replying to @utotranslucence @Meaningness and
I mean, and/or the Kegan stages are a partial model anyways, and we can play at being at different levels...
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Replying to @utotranslucence @AtaraxJim and
Yes, fwiw I think they can be brilliantly illuminating in some cases, but don’t seem to fit some people’s experience at all, and in any case shouldn’t be concretized.https://youtu.be/m3dZl3yfGpc
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Replying to @Meaningness @utotranslucence and
Open up the Big Book of Enlightenment and most of it is instructables for Stupid Brain Tricks.
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St. Rev ☯️ 🏴 😻 Retweeted AtaraxJim
The 'value' of a lot of the stupid brain tricks may be little more than that they force one into re-integration mode because it's that or go insane. So, as already noted:https://twitter.com/AtaraxJim/status/1237489888980684800 …
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So if there's any universality to the experience, it's neither the trigger, nor the nature of the rebuilt self. The commonality is the experience of destruction and reconstruction. Different traditions try to rebuild different "Enlightenments". And roll-your-own is... dicey.
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If you spend any time around New Age types (I used to work in a New Age bookstore) you see a lot of examples of what I've always thought of privately as "Catastrophic Partial Illumination". People who definitely saw *something*, and failed to reintegrate it sanely.
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Yes this is common. A lot of them now teach meditation and fuck other people up.
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