Robert Kegan explaining his adult developmental theory, with @dthorson
“If you want to be Stage 5 because all the cool kids are, that’s a Stage 3 aspiration. If you want it because Stage 5 is the Correct way of thinking, that’s a Stage 4 aspiration.”https://anchor.fm/emerge/episodes/Robert-Kegan---The-Five-Stages-of-Adult-Development-And-Why-You-Probably-Arent-Stage-5-eb8gug …
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Understanding how adults continue to develop new, deeper, more powerful cognitive skills, through their 30s at minimum, seems enormously important. Research on this is scarce, and—to be blunt—much of it is low-quality. I’d love for this to change. Big opportunity!
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So fair to say meta rationality / moving from kegan 4 to 5 involves 1) remodeling of emotions themselves, 2) ontological remodeling that leads to changes in emotions 3) 1& 2 ?
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It does involve those things, but (as I understand it) they are not criterial. The change is in becoming meta to systems. This may be relevant:https://meaningness.com/cofounders-in-relationship …
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Yes, you've basically got the picture. The SOI pulls for emotional and relational content. Therefore, it's not simply about cognition, which can indeed show up in one's 20s. The way to think about it: There is a difference between applying cognition to outer objects...
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...versus applying that cognition to one's self and its various aspects. The more emotional the content, the stronger the regressive pull. So it takes more time develop steady meta-cognition where the "I" is the focal point.
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Kids as early as 2 or three can do meta systemic thinking, art work and hypothesis. The whole educated adults only swim lane in Kegan's work is extremely telling of his own epistemological blind spots. So frustrating.
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@solarpunk_girl more issues w Kegan
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How are you defining meta-rationality?
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This seems right to me. I wonder if we should actually be looking at the development of different parts of the psyche - emotional, subconscious, cognitive - rather than treating them as one thing?
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