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David Chapman
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Better ways of thinking, feeling, and acting—around problems of meaning and meaninglessness; self and society; ethics, purpose, and value.

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    David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 6
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    David Chapman Retweeted David R. MacIver

    🚃 Trolley problems appeal to people who like solving puzzles. Ethics is not sudoku. That way of thinking reliably leads to extreme moral misjudgment.https://twitter.com/DRMacIver/status/1235990195297816577 …

    David Chapman added,

    David R. MacIver @DRMacIver
    A rule of thumb that will substantially improve your moral reasoning: If a thought experiment makes you roll your eyes and go "c'mon, really?" then you should ignore it.
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    10:12 AM - 6 Mar 2020
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      2. Malcolm  ☣️cean - check sense of smell  👃 —  🌎 🇨🇦‏ @Malcolm_Ocean Mar 6
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        If I suddenly found myself on a trolley platform with perfect knowledge of trolleys and a weird choice to make, my attention would be on trying to understand the context of how the fuck I got there, not on the ethics of the weird choice.

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 6
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        Replying to @Malcolm_Ocean

        Yup! The more-clueful-rationalist response is “this is difficult due to incomplete knowledge”; a better response is “this is silly due to the inherent nebulosity of ethics and artificial decontextualization”

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      2. Robert M Ellis‏ @RobertMEllis2 Mar 6
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        I'd suggest there are two problems with them (1) they focus on what we should do rather than what we should avoid (which is easier to judge) and (2) they focus only on reasoning, rather than on the complex embodied motivations that actually determine judgement.

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 6
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        Replying to @RobertMEllis2

        I agree!

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      2. AtaraxJim‏ @AtaraxJim Mar 6
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        Replying to @Meaningness

        Yeah, utilitarianism too

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      3. David Chapman‏ @Meaningness Mar 6
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        Replying to @AtaraxJim

        Yes :-)

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      2. existentialpervert69 ☣‏ @IllegibleLenny Mar 6
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        Replying to @Meaningness

        Thought experiments in ethics are to parse out principles in extreme situations. SSC called them the "linear accelerators" of ethics, and I kind of agree. Obvs most real world applications are made under circumstances of substantial uncertainty with conflicting values in play.

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      3. David R. MacIver‏ @DRMacIver Mar 6
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        Right, but ethical decision making in practice isn't about making perfect decisions given full information, it's about making reliably good ones under bounded rationality and information, and if you include weird shit in your training you fit to the wrong distribution.

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      2. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto Mar 6
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        Replying to @Meaningness

        I love solving puzzles and I despite trolley problems. What kind of mutant does that make me?

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      3. Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration‏ @danlistensto Mar 6
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        Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration Retweeted Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration

        I summarized some of my thoughts on this herehttps://twitter.com/danlistensto/status/950781620289753088?s=20 …

        Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration added,

        Dan listens to the sudden reconfiguration @danlistensto
        this is a very brief thread about the trolley problem pic.twitter.com/hGrS0XiJEQ
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