This is great and has made a few things fall into place for me. Now thinking about the connection between indexicality and my own favourite bit of horrible jargon, cognitive decoupling. Both are to do with amount of context but how much do they overlap?https://twitter.com/literalbanana/status/1222019385834950656 …
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A lot, I think. Part III of the eggplant will turn on this. Cc
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Yeah they're definitely highly related so maybe I should phrase it the other way round - what are the differences, if there are any?
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Well the cognitive decoupling literature is cognitivist so it posits boxes in the brain, which is almost certainly wrong (as Stanovich has come to say himself). From an EM pov, decontextualization is a collection of cultural practices, which are a big part of doing-being-rational
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So the EM question is “what are all those practices and when do we use them and how do they work.” A question EM wouldn’t ask (but should be asked) is *why* do they work.
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Annoyingly, even though “what are the decontextualization practices and how do they work” is in some sense a central concern of EM, they’ve managed to not actually squarely address it ever. I don’t know why. The field has always been unwilling to tackle issues directly, which >
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> has to do with Garfinkel’s neurotic avoidance of being straightforward lest he be too understandable and therefore misunderstood. Which is a reasonable concern but so exaggerated that it mostly sunk the field.
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I suppose at least they avoided silly bananaphone mechanisms that can't work. But it does seem like a big missed opportunity.
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Yes, it was exactly their contempt for the bananaphone that motivated this. The PARC EM people were SO scathing about it privately (and rightly so). Of course they were surrounded by 1980s cogsci people who were bananaphoning all the things. It was awkward.
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are bananaphones like dormitive principles?
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This is referring to a post of @drossbucket tracking the cognitive decoupling idea back to a 1980s cogsci paper about pretending that a banana is a phone. We’re using “bananaphone” to mean the sort of model used in that paper.
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Yes it was a very indexical, high-context reference! It was from this https://drossbucket.wordpress.com/2019/10/23/cognitive-decoupling-and-banana-phones/ … but
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